This is a discussion on Armed Security at Churches Is Becoming a New Normal within the Home (And Away From Home) Defense Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Mike1956 I don't know how we moved from the greatest generation to today in a span of seventy years. Hippies......
I always carry at church. We also have an police officer in uniform, but remember just like the rest of he can't be everywhere at once. It is the new normal, but not by choice. You might want to join the crowd. Remember no one can protect you like you, and I love me.
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I may have already said this in this thread but to paraphrase Tamara Keel it's not so much that I specifically carry a gun to go to church as it is that I make it my habit not to leave my house unarmed and church just happens to be one of the places I go to.
This is a timely thread........another church shooting.
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Tree of Life Synagogue in a very urban residential neighborhood is 6 blocks from our sonís house. Great neighborhood, wonderful diversity. Where will we feel safe? Iím comforted when an org will admit the potential threat and allow us to organize comprehensive passive and active measures to harden a site, especially during active periods.
Iím relieved, not troubled, when a congregation accepts the responsibility for its safety rather than hiding behind false denial of a potential threat. Weíve never had a fire in my in-laws church but we have evacuation maps, refuge areas, fire and smoke detection, fire alarms, and central monitoring. Weíve never had a shooting. We have open entrances at main, classroom wing, kitchen, and side. We have no cameras, no watchers, no armed presence. Is Fire our more likely event today?
Good on the leadership who take on the mantle of protector for those seeking a peaceful and worshipful place. Iím all in.
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My church has 7 "safety team" personnel, which I am a part of. We keep two outside the sanctuary, two in the seats and one in the balcony. We are all in casual clothes to blend with the congregation. The church is designed for people who don't like church so we always have new people coming and going often. Weekend attendance is roughly 1,400 people. We also have a homeless ministry and unfortunately a good amount of our issues come from there. Keeps you on your toes to say the least.
First thing I found with a quick search was this link to the 2008 & 2009 numbers from the the National Incident-Based Reporting System files and Uniform Crime Reports (UCRs) from the FBI.
Church Crime Statistics - New data release by FBI
Also "Sheepdog Church Security" on Facebook posts frequent "Church Crime Updates" It's something any church leader who needs a reality check should read. (Church security team members might want to follow them if using Facebook.)
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I have had mixed feelings on this subject for 28 years, since I accepted Jesus as my savior. However, in today's world, if your church does not provide Armed Security, I feel that it is better to be ready for the unthinkable than to be a victim.
Other officer's I use to work with are now carrying their service issued pistol or other full size pistol to church instead of a pocket pistol, and although I am now retired, I am also carrying a service pistol.
In LA (Lower AL) CCW in church is very common. To not carry or to have a policy against carrying, IS NOT the norm here! A more likely debate among parishioners here would be what caliber is appropriate or magazine capacity for church!
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If someone wants to use these stats.. lets compare them to a [gas station] as the incident location and see what those stats look like by comparison. A 10 second inquiry into the internet yielded stats indicating 17,400 robberies at a gas station/convenience store in one year which does not include a multitude of other crimes. If those numbers are even half right, I think the corner gas station/convenience store is likely more dangerous than a place of worship.
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