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I see this more and more in the news , and members here on D.C. talking about this , disturbing...
This November will be the second anniversary of the deadliest church shooting in modern history: the ambush on tiny First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, that killed 26 people. Since then, two US synagogues have also suffered deadly shootings, as have dozens of other public places.
This disturbing trend has made church security a new normal. Many congregations now have guards at doors and parking lots, security cameras monitoring entrances, and crisis procedures for staff and volunteers.
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Don't try to get into my head there's barely enough room for me in there .
I think modern religious belief has been to abhor violence so having guns in church hs become anathema in most congregations. I think that is misguided. There are time when the Old Testament ought to prevail over the New. I like an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth thinking. You came to kill em and I will kill you. Nothing complicated or morally challenging about that. People overthink things and common sense fails when self preservation becomes debatable.
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12000 member megachurch. I'll pass.
Anyway why wouldn't church's have security?? I'm more bothered that it's not the norm and only now becoming more common.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them.....well, I have others.
Church violence is hardly anything new. Just because we are ignorant (intentionally, or not) of that fact doesn't make the fact less real. Not all the violence is in the form of mass shootings. Sometimes it is comparatively mundane domestic violence. Sometimes it is racial. Sometimes it is religious. Sometimes, it comes down to simple robbery. Just because it is a church or other place of worship doesn't mean that bad stuff won't happen there.
Considering yourself to be defenseless is the first administrative step to becoming a victim.
Our church has LEO in lobby all morning and who knows how many armed parishioners. No different than any other legal carry area here in CO.
Arkancide- Three self-inflicted gunshots to the head with hands tied behind the back.
Active Shooter Response- Assess the situation, Position yourself to gain tactical advantage, Engage perpetrator violently (APE).
“Beware of people who brag about who they are. A lion will never have to tell you he is a lion.”
At my church they look like Secret Service on casual day. Easy to spot with their ear pieces. I am not sure of the numbers, but I counted 8 and know there were more. It would take a very determined attack to get into the main hall.
Security or not, I still position my family strategically. If something goes down, from the front or back of the room, I will see.
We’ve had frank discussions on strategy. If the unlikely happens, I feel that we have a better chance than than the oblivious.
The key is to not panic. Easier said than done, but we have gone over the what if’s many times. But we can never know how any of us will respond.
Sad, but I think it’s the highest risk place I go.
Read our government's plan to destroy the Constitution.
I'm not sure how religious were allowed to get here but the Bible is explicit that the closer we get to the end of time and the darker the world gets the more Christians are going to be hated. The Bible says that there will come a time when people will murder Christians and think they're doing God a service. The Bible says to expect these things.
So if you accept the Bible as the word of God then the fact that churches are realizing that they need armed security shouldn't surprise you at all.
Church security has become an industry. There are consulting firms that do nothing but hold seminars on how to start a church security team or how to improve your church security team.
Churches have their own unique set of liability issues and there are insurance companies that specialize in underwriting insurance policies for churches.
I used to work for a security company that had a contract to provide 24/7 armed security for two churches that I'm aware of in Colorado Springs, maybe more.
New Life Church pays the city to have uniformed police officers on site before during and after their services. They also have their own volunteer security team.
I've never been to New Life Church and I don't know for sure that this is true but they're pretty big church (20000 plus) and I would be willing to bet that they have enough qualified people in their congregation that everybody on their team either is a cop or used to be a cop.
The church I attend has a volunteer security team. They are all uniformed (Black shirt with "Security Ministry embroidered on it) and they all carry photo ID so that they are easily identifiable.
I've also been in a couple of churches in which the "Security Ministry" consisted of one or two guys who appointed themselves to the position without telling anybody else in the church.
That is scary to me because they don't even know who else is on the "security team". They don't have a plan and they don't train together. In one instance I don't think the pastoral staff of the church even knows that they're doing it.
To paraphrase Tamara Keel, it's not so much that I carry a gun at church as it is that I make it my habit never leave my home unarmed and church just happens to be one of the places I go.
I'm all for an armed presence, whatever the venue. I don't find it troubling at all.
"Stop being dangerous, and you become edible." William Aprill
"Slaves, enjoy your freedom." Chuck Klosterman
I am my own security when attending church.
Once again we blow all out of proportion the threat we face in a church as compared to any other place we go.
The chances of me getting shot in church is much less than other places I go to.
I prepare myself no matter where I go church or shopping.