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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    Wall it off and turn it into Thunderdome.
    ^^^ Where is the LOVE button?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    California's economy is expected to slow down. They have significant financial stressors. The wildfire risk seems to be a real problem, and the power outages are likely to hurt California's GDP. The tax structure is leading the wealthy, who can afford to move, to leave, impacting tax revenues. Prop 13 is having an impact as well. The population is stable, but expected to start to decline. There is a serious housing crisis in California, and homelessness is a real problem. So, yes, there are serious problems there.

    But, Detroit it ain't.
    Ca's problems are mostly self inflicted. We can grow enough food to feed most of the world, if the state would get their hands out of it. The fire problem is that the state has made the forests unusable. you can't harvest lumber, you can't cut a road, you can't build a new power line, etc.....Only 16% of the Gold in Ca has been dug up. But you can't dig in CA. We have areas that could support Geothermal power plants[ the ultimate Green power] , but the state won't allow power lines to be built to move that electricity. We need someone who will cut the regulation and allow us to go back to work!

    All that could be fixed, I just don't see it happening in whats left of my lifetime! I'm getting out. I'm looking at places where I don't need a permit to cut firewood on my own property. And then have the State Tax me an extra Fire Fighting fee for living out of the city! DR

    PS Prop 13 is not the problem, its that the State spends more than it takes in, and on really stupid things. there are three ways to balance any budget. Take in more money spend less money or both. CA discourages tax payers from making more, and an blows Billions on worthless projects that benefit no one but the politicians benefactors! DR
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    Back in the 30s my Grandparents family moved to Oregon out of the dustbowl of OK. That part of the family is from OK, TX, and AR. My Grandpa worked in the woods, drove a log truck, and worked his way down into northern CA, Eureka area and then over the hill to the Redding area.
    There are a lot of families up there with the same story and they are all bitter clingers, so to speak. Don't tar all Californians with the same brush.


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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    My wife and I discussed this situation at length. When I said that I thought this seemed somewhat unlikely, she responded that she did not. With the continued shutdown of the electrical grid in California whenever there is a high wind/low humidity event, her thinking is that there may be severe societal disruption should the power company be unable to restore power in a timely manner. I'm not an expert in electrical service, but certainly if that happened, the consequences could be serious. As she pointed out, if there is no power, and no way for a trucker to get fuel, I could see where truckers might be reluctant to make deliveries in California for fear of getting stuck. This could lead to a snowball effect of bad consequences.
    I'm a former Californian as well. I was more than surprised that the outages did not result in civil unrest. Whenever there are unplanned outages that last more than a day in major cities it seems they result in looting/rioting. To have notice that there will be a several day outage would only seem to make such events more likely. People that would commit such acts could plan out where and when they want to attack. I have to assume PG&E was thoughtful in where it was conducting outages - the urban residents were less impacted at the expense of the rural residents. It's been reported that when they do such a shut off it may take a couple extra days than planned to get it back on. If they do such an outage for a metropolitan city it will be chaos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    There are several families in my neighborhood who moved here from California because they couldn't afford to live there and wanted a safer place for their children to grow up. They had Hillary signs on the cars and in their yards.
    We get a lot of this in WA too. My neighbors moved here because they "could get so much more" here, with the million dollars they got for their plain house on 1/2 acre there. They are flaming lefties.

    We have made friends with them, and are trying our best to "educate" them about how the REAL world works. Not much progress so far, but it hasn't even been a year yet. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DZUS View Post
    I would rather see the voters somehow see what's happening and send the rascals out and pick the state up by the bootstraps.
    The state has been so horribly gerrymandered beyond all recognition that it was never likely to self-correct.

    The implementation of the top-two primary put the nail in that coffin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    Wall it off and turn it into Thunderdome.
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    Why is this posed as a future tense question?
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    Not all Californian transplants are bad.
    I met a few who want to embrace the conservative way of life after what they had to live under.
    But I have met way too many who left only because they could no longer afford to live there anymore.
    Or their job moved here.
    But they still embrace that liberal ideology that destroyed Cali.
    And will vote that way here again.
    I call them Locusts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShooterGranny View Post
    The best thing you can do for someone that you do not think is a good candidate for owning a pistol is to suggest that he go to a gun range that has instructors and rental guns and get lessons and try various guns that they feel will work for him.

    The reason I say that is that my one son decided (with his wife's consent because she has been avidly anti gun) that they NEED a gun for home protection. Their formerly nice upper middle class semi rural area has become dangerous, with crime at an unbelievably high level now.

    We suggested a 20 ga. shotgun. He went to a range and got an 80 minute private lesson in gun safety and handling and then got to shoot 30 slugs from a 20 ga. He immediately felt it was all wrong in every way and the instructor agreed. Then I suggested a Shield 380EZ as the most user friendly and easiest to use that is not a .22, and he has another appointment next week at the same range for more private instruction and to try that gun. If it works for him he will follow up with an appointment for his wife. They MIGHT be able to step up to a 9mm. Maybe.

    If he lived closer I could give him and his wife instructions, using our selection of various guns, but all in all this is the best way to go about it - for us and for them. They may find out on their own that no gun will work for them due to noise, recoil, etc. etc. He has been told that if he gets any kind of gun it will require plenty of practice to become proficient enough to be able to use it for home self defense. They have the funds for private instruction and rentals, so no problem in that regard.

    In other words: Get yourself out of the picture!
    Words of wisdom above! Life is too short to aggravate you and your wife with this narcissistic fool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    California is not alone......

    Maine was in great shape under LePage, then Mills took over in 2016 with the Dems and they've spent money we don't have. The difference between us and CA is that we only have 1.3 million people, and probably represent .00001% of the USA GDP. The progressives see Maine as a cool place for a lake or mountain house, or both. Massachusetts plates are infecting us up here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    Yes, because California is "too big to fail"......

    I think the 'plan' there is to practice deficit spending until the rest of the nation has to bail California out. Thanks.
    This is a huge issue! Then a bunch of city/states will follow. Pension plan liabilities will trigger part of the tsunami.

    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    I fear AZ will likewise be californicated.
    Yep.

    Quote Originally Posted by viney266 View Post

    Wall it off and turn it into Thunderdome.
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    Agree!

    I have not been to California since my parents died in 2003 and 2004, and nothing I have seen on the news has been an improvement. In fact, it is all steadily downhill. It is cancer. It has failed. They just don't know it yet, and to be honest, probably don't care. The middle class is the victim, the back-bone.

    Add prison and jail releases to salve the progressives, lighter sentencing, disarming police, and attacking the thin blue line. What more could you want?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post

    Massachusetts plates are infecting us up here.

    I've heard an unflattering term for those drivers.....

    I think Massachusetts is to Maine what California is to Colorado/Wyoming/Montana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerranger View Post
    Ca's problems are mostly self inflicted. We can grow enough food to feed most of the world, if the state would get their hands out of it. The fire problem is that the state has made the forests unusable. you can't harvest lumber, you can't cut a road, you can't build a new power line, etc.....Only 16% of the Gold in Ca has been dug up. But you can't dig in CA. We have areas that could support Geothermal power plants[ the ultimate Green power] , but the state won't allow power lines to be built to move that electricity. We need someone who will cut the regulation and allow us to go back to work!

    All that could be fixed, I just don't see it happening in whats left of my lifetime! I'm getting out. I'm looking at places where I don't need a permit to cut firewood on my own property. And then have the State Tax me an extra Fire Fighting fee for living out of the city! DR

    PS Prop 13 is not the problem, its that the State spends more than it takes in, and on really stupid things. there are three ways to balance any budget. Take in more money spend less money or both. CA discourages tax payers from making more, and an blows Billions on worthless projects that benefit no one but the politicians benefactors! DR
    I feel for you folks. But...There have been actual threats here to cut the city of Austin from the state of Texas. It seems to have slowed the lunacy there a bit. I don't know how, or if, those threats might have resulted in actual political action, but something has changed. You might accomplish the same by the taxpayers threatening to carve two large metro areas out of your state.

    It would be a real hoot to see LA and SF try to get along cut off from the state. Whatever the outcome, CA is circling the drain because of those two drug-fueled insane asylums. Just MHO anyway.
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    That is an interesting assessment by your BIL. I wonder what area he is referring to.

    We are getting some decent fires popping up, but most of the shutoffs look to be in the Nor Cal area. Power and water and the two big issues it seems. Seeing the writing on the wall we had a large solar system with battery installed. If the grid goes down for any reason, my beers are staying cold.

    Down here in San Bernardino County traffic right now might cause some civil unrest. Got a major freeway closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    It would be a real hoot to see LA and SF try to get along cut off from the state. Whatever the outcome, CA is circling the drain because of those two drug-fueled insane asylums. Just MHO anyway.
    Southern California would have a real problem if they were cut off from the rest of the state. They are dependent on water from Northern California. They, and San Francisco, are also largely dependent on agriculture from more rural counties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon10125 View Post
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    Seeing the writing on the wall we had a large solar system with battery installed. If the grid goes down for any reason, my beers are staying cold.

    ...

    I predict zero civil unrest in your house......
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