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This is a discussion on I turned down an overseas contract job today within the Home (And Away From Home) Defense Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Whatever pay they're offering is probably lowballed by 50% of what it should be in that armpit. Sounds like a wise decision to me....

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    Whatever pay they're offering is probably lowballed by 50% of what it should be in that armpit.

    Sounds like a wise decision to me.
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    That place is a cesspool and will always be a cesspool. No sense in you going there to roll around in their feces.

    Wise move.
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    Good for you. Whenever I'm faced with a tough choice I make a "T" chart: The left column are the "pros" and the right column the "cons." When I sit and think of the options, and write them on the chart, the answer becomes clear.

    It sounds to me like you did much the same thing, even if you didn't write a chart. The young guys, full of testosterone and invulnerability leap at the dollar signs. As we get older, money isn't the only thing.
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    One of my best friends was there about 2 years ago. He was in the US Corp of Engineers and volunteered to go there for some work, mostly inspections. He said he went to some remote places. Every where their team went, they were accompanied by at least a dozen private security contractors. He wasn't impressed by them at all. He out ranked all of them as far as government grades were concerned, so they had to listen to him. After he saw how they operated, he said that he had a long talk with them about tactics, weapons, etc. At one time he made them all field strip their weapons and clean them thoroughly, because he could see how poorly maintained they were. They did not like that, but they listened to him. My friend is in his late 60's, but he had plenty of experience in Vietnam as a grunt. We did a lot of hunting together in rough terrain, camping out for a week at a time, so I know enough about him to trust him with my life. In that kind of situation, I would follow him unquestionably. There is no doubt in my mind that if he thought they were screwing up, it was true.
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    I had a similar opportunity some years ago working for a private contractor for the State Dept training police officers in Bosnia. It would have been fantastic money but I don't regret not going!
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    My wife's cousin turned down the opportunity to go to every dangerous place in the world. Just ask him if you don't believe me. He even rescued kids off of the top of a water tower because everybody else was scared to climb up there. Funny but I never saw him get off of his butt and go outside. He must have done all of these things at night when I was sleeping. I think he has special security clearance that allows him to climb water towers.
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    The State Department, even under Trump, seems to have a tendency to favor talk with terrorists over dealing with them the only way a terrorist/bully understands, physical resistance. Talks works with pay discussions, minor land disputes, dumping waste, but not with terrorists. No, you can only look dangerous, but not fight back until you've been shot 40 times or more doesn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GpTom View Post
    My wife's cousin turned down the opportunity to go to every dangerous place in the world. Just ask him if you don't believe me. He even rescued kids off of the top of a water tower because everybody else was scared to climb up there. Funny but I never saw him get off of his butt and go outside. He must have done all of these things at night when I was sleeping. I think he has special security clearance that allows him to climb water towers.
    Well I certainly hope that gene didnít spread any further in your family....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSafety View Post
    The State Department, even under Trump, seems to have a tendency to favor talk with terrorists over dealing with them the only way a terrorist/bully understands, physical resistance. Talks works with pay discussions, minor land disputes, dumping waste, but not with terrorists. No, you can only look dangerous, but not fight back until you've been shot 40 times or more doesn't work.
    While I donít have network TV, the sources of news that I do have, do not seem to reflect that. From what I am seeing is that it our congress and senate , even Republicans lawmakers that are wusses in their desire to tie the Prezís hands over such matters.

    But I agree, you canít debate with bullies.

    What my fear is, and I think itís legit, is working in a politically, and religiously radical country like that outside of the protection of the military and its resources.
    My concern is getting in a real jam, with my ass hanging in the breeze and no one knowing about it...or caring. Just a few contractors killed by Islamic extremists, a small blip on the API news feed.
    My old, decrepit arse shot off, or worse, beheaded.

    Back then I had no problem jumping in an enemy bunker to clear it
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    These days, I canít hardly jump out of bed.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotBrass45 View Post
    There are no lifetime SC's. If you leave a job that required a clearance, you have a 2 year grace period to find another clearance job (clearance goes from 'active' to 'current'). After that the clearance expires. Nobody pays for their clearance, monthly or whatever. If your job requires one, you obtain one through the agency or company you work for. If you take a new job that requires a SC that you don't have, you can normally get an interim clearance after an initial background investigation. I've seen this happen as quickly as 3-4 weeks before, but can take months depending on your history or other factors (bankruptcies, arrests and marrying foreign nationals will slow the process to a crawl). But to get the final SC, you still have to go through the full investigation and interview, which takes up to a year or more depending on SC level and any complications. For a 6 month job, if you pass the initial background investigation, then conceivably you could obtain an interim SC and be done with the job without ever having to go through the interview/polygraph process
    I currently work for the Dept. of the Army as a DA civilian and I go through this for every single hiring action we do. It is a real PITA and we have 2 security folks that work it for us. Tuesday I've got a new employee coming in that really won't be fully mission capable for what I need him to do until around 2 months. He's a retired LTC, with a current clearance (contractor), but it takes a while to transfer over. Even the Interim SC now has caveats on what access can be granted and to what systems. So he's basically not allowed in our building un-escorted.

    As for the overseas stuff, I'm looking into do doing another tour. For us on the DAC side, it's an automatic 70% pay raise (35% Danger Pay & 35% Post differential) and then overtime on top of that. So I'd be looking at $204K before overtime. For us the big draw is that years pay is calculated into your high 3 average for retirement. At my current grade I'll end up as a "fobbit" somewhere doing staff work.
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    I'm late reading this thread, G-Man, but Mike1956 summed up my opinion -- "You're confusing fear with common sense, I'm thinking."
    Wise move on your part to turn down that circle-you-know-what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-man* View Post
    So today, I came to the realization that Iím not even a shadow of who I use to be.
    I can't agree with this part. It's not that you're somehow "lesser" than you used to be. It's just that your priorities are now in a wiser place. Money isn't everything in life by a long shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GpTom View Post
    I think he has special security clearance that allows him to climb water towers.
    I think it's called Plop Secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSafety View Post
    The State Department, even under Trump, seems to have a tendency to favor talk with terrorists over dealing with them the only way a terrorist/bully understands, physical resistance. Talks works with pay discussions, minor land disputes, dumping waste, but not with terrorists. No, you can only look dangerous, but not fight back until you've been shot 40 times or more doesn't work.
    Maybe you haven't paid attention but Trump has called the bluff of everybody he has dealt with so far. His hands will be tied because the Democrats have made it impossible for him to deal from a position of strength by requiring that congress must okay any retaliatory actions.
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