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    A little more technical explanation on why this is not like the typical flu. Many of you are missing the risk...completely.
    "Sending the old people somewhere" is an extremely ignorant attitude

    Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who donít understand...

    It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

    Seasonal flu is an ďall human virusĒ. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

    Novel viruses can come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then itís a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isnít human, and the human immune system doesnít recognize it so, we canít fight it off.

    Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years itís only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly itís gonna be..

    H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Itís RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

    Fast forward.

    Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, ďslipperyĒ

    This Coronavirus, not being in any form a ďhumanĒ virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

    And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

    Thatís why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And itís a lung eater...And, itís already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

    We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

    Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Sweating Sickness that plagued his time had passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

    And let me end by saying....right now itís hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

    Be smart folks... acting like youíre unafraid is so not sexy right now.

    #flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on. 🤓

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    Good information forester58.
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    Well, California has gone and implemented a statewide "lockdown": https://www.foxnews.com/us/californi...-at-home-order
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    Quote Originally Posted by NECCdude View Post
    Well, California has gone and implemented a statewide "lockdown": https://www.foxnews.com/us/californi...-at-home-order
    Sure hope they do something to help people that live paycheck to paycheck like suspend mortgage payments and utility payments. Otherwise it will bankrupt most of the residents. Some large companies are not stepping up and paying their employees like they should. Others like Hilton just laid off their employees. I work for the largest resort company in the world and my only option is leave without pay. Gee thanks......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novarider View Post
    Sure hope they do something to help people that live paycheck to paycheck like suspend mortgage payments and utility payments. Otherwise it will bankrupt most of the residents. Some large companies are not stepping up and paying their employees like they should. Others like Hilton just laid off their employees. I work for the largest resort company in the world and my only option is leave without pay. Gee thanks......
    Hopefully when this is all over, employers who did not take care of their employees will feel the pain when they are faced with employees leaving and struggling to replace them. Being a decent human being is not all that difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NECCdude View Post
    Well, California has gone and implemented a statewide "lockdown": https://www.foxnews.com/us/californi...-at-home-order
    It will be interesting to see how this ages. If people just decided to disregard it, there is really nothing they can do about it. If the boogaloo ever does actually does kick off, I think things like this are far more likely to light that fuse than any of the anti gun legislation and stuff like that
    a poor plan that is well executed will produce better results that a good plan that is poorly executed.

    This is America. I have the right to go places. You have the right to stay home. You have the right to be upset about me going places. I have the right to not care.

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    Self explanatory.

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    How are we supposed to take the .gov seriously when stuff like this happens?

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    The additional revelations came amid widespread outrage toward GOP Sens. Richard Burr and Kelly Loeffler, who reportedly sold shares after getting briefings on the coronavirus threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forester58 View Post
    A little more technical explanation on why this is not like the typical flu. Many of you are missing the risk...completely.
    "Sending the old people somewhere" is an extremely ignorant attitude

    Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who donít understand...

    It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

    Seasonal flu is an ďall human virusĒ. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

    Novel viruses can come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then itís a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isnít human, and the human immune system doesnít recognize it so, we canít fight it off.

    Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years itís only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly itís gonna be..

    H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Itís RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

    Fast forward.

    Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, ďslipperyĒ

    This Coronavirus, not being in any form a ďhumanĒ virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

    And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

    Thatís why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And itís a lung eater...And, itís already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

    We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

    Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Sweating Sickness that plagued his time had passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

    And let me end by saying....right now itís hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

    Be smart folks... acting like youíre unafraid is so not sexy right now.

    #flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on. 🤓
    This is for the most part all true, but there is a little bit more to it.

    1- No, we donít have immunity... YET.

    2- we donít know where it originated. The market is one of multiple theories.

    3- there are several trials going on, and at least a couple have Shown to be successful at treating this with existing medicine.
    a poor plan that is well executed will produce better results that a good plan that is poorly executed.

    This is America. I have the right to go places. You have the right to stay home. You have the right to be upset about me going places. I have the right to not care.

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    Two members of Congress have tested positive. If they all don't have it two weeks from now, I call bs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forester58 View Post
    A little more technical explanation on why this is not like the typical flu. Many of you are missing the risk...completely.
    "Sending the old people somewhere" is an extremely ignorant attitude

    Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who donít understand...

    It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

    Seasonal flu is an ďall human virusĒ. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

    Novel viruses can come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then itís a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isnít human, and the human immune system doesnít recognize it so, we canít fight it off.

    Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years itís only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly itís gonna be..

    H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Itís RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

    Fast forward.

    Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, ďslipperyĒ

    This Coronavirus, not being in any form a ďhumanĒ virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

    And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

    Thatís why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And itís a lung eater...And, itís already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

    We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

    Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Sweating Sickness that plagued his time had passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

    And let me end by saying....right now itís hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

    Be smart folks... acting like youíre unafraid is so not sexy right now.

    #flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on. 🤓
    Excellent post.

    And just something I'd like to point out here:

    Corporations around the globe are losing $billions by shutting down their operations.

    Sports leagues worldwide have cancelled all of their activities and are forfeiting $billions in the process.

    Schools and colleges across the map have closed down.

    If who/what you're listening to is still convincing you that this is media hype or a political hoax, please change the channel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post
    Excellent post.

    And just something I'd like to point out here:

    Corporations around the globe are losing $billions by shutting down their operations.

    Sports leagues worldwide have cancelled all of their activities and are forfeiting $billions in the process.

    Schools and colleges across the map have closed down.

    If who/what you're listening to is still convincing you that this is media hype or a political hoax, please change the channel.
    They might be loosing billions right now, but I'm thinking that they will recoup them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novarider View Post
    Sure hope they do something to help people that live paycheck to paycheck like suspend mortgage payments and utility payments. Otherwise it will bankrupt most of the residents. Some large companies are not stepping up and paying their employees like they should. Others like Hilton just laid off their employees. I work for the largest resort company in the world and my only option is leave without pay. Gee thanks......
    And this is why we may end up with a socialist government.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by NECCdude View Post
    And this is why we may end up with a socialist government.........
    Almost like that's the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Self explanatory.

    Time to raid the storage lockers........
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