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This is a discussion on When does society begin to break down? within the Home (And Away From Home) Defense Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by mcp1810 Maximum security facilities where you have individual cells or two to cell is much more manageable than a low security facility ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    Maximum security facilities where you have individual cells or two to cell is much more manageable than a low security facility where the prisoners sleep in basically a platoon bay with up to fifty in one room.

    And in today's news the Harris County Jail announced they have one prisoner confirmed positive and thirty showing symptoms.
    By all means, release them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    Mike1956, I can't "like" your post. I hope you are a sufficient distance away from either one of those facilities. I saw where New York released a group of rapists yesterday.
    I'm not worried about release nearly as much as contagion. The prison system is one of the county's largest employers. These men and women are going in and out of the Petri dish every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterCrabby View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post

    By all means, release them!
    While they are incarcerated their medical care is the responsibility of the tax payers. And if they can't be properly treated in the lock up the prison/jail under law has to transport them (under guard) to an appropriate local medical facility and guard them there as long as is necessary for their treatment.
    Those that have been released are on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFury View Post
    @NelsonHolsters it sounds like you have a drug house problem. Good luck dealing with the situation. My parents had that situation with a place not too far from there home. It only ended when the people in the home were sent away and the house sold at auction. May you have a quick and safe resolution to the situation.
    Yes I believe that is what it is but with me having alot of leo customers and them seeing first hand I feel confident it wont go on a long time. cant really say more on that subject right now as this is a public forum. It is concerning right now with all thats going on and things like this drug house are taking a back seat for the time being and I fully understand why. I think I have the shop and home covered with cameras and alarms but will just have to see.

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    When does society begin to break down?

    I think it has begun. Just look at how some states are turning out-of-staters away at their borders.
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    I would keep a close eye on the elections. Will the Democrats prevail, with the help of further election fraud, and steer us further into Socialism... Several posts refer to Civil War, but it’s actually not that preposterous. And if you look at it, a Pandemic is the most effective vehicle to drive support for Socialism; millions upon millions being forced to their knees, at the feet of the government. Our country is already at odds over socialist ideals, so I feel the tipping point is how the liberal half of the nation responds to the coming elections; will they push further destroy our Constitution, if they gain power at the heels of an economic downfall; will they rage and revolt, as petulant adolescents, if they don’t get their way.

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    For a little perspective, try looking around Reddit... There is no shortage of those who are condemning conservatives as the cause of the Pandemic, decrying an immediate need for stronger gun controls, and promoting across the board vote by mail initiatives. Make no mistake, this Pandemic is a massive vehicle. And regardless of its origin, it's being driven madly by socialists to force their agenda.
    In short, i think many are looking at some major trigger point, like infrastructure collapses, which may not come for years. And even then, may not even be the true trigger point; the real trigger point could be coming from somewhere/something that no one is expecting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I am hoping we can keep this a serious discussion about what to expect, if we can anticipate anything. I've certainly read enough books about EMPs, the Enemies Foreign and Domestic series, World Made by Hand, etc. However, I've never lived through anything like the extended issues that took place in the wake of hurricane Katrina.

    Obviously, if we lose power, water, or communications, things are going to be very bad. That all seems unlikely. And if they manage to pass the stimulus bill, things will probably be okay. Our stores still have food on the shelves (not everything), but many items are available, even if the stores are limiting quantities.

    My wife and I have been gaming out "what if" scenarios. We live in a small community with many people not making much money. Our county deputies make less than $16.00 per hour. How long will a person with no job and no savings who is unable to feed their children go before they become desperate enough to steal from a market, hold someone up in a parking lot, or break into a home to obtain food or things to sell?

    What do you guys and gals think? If you lived through Katrina or something similar I would be especially interested in hearing your perspective.

    Note: Perhaps I was not explicit enough when I posted this last night? My question is, "When does society begin to break down?" What do you think will be the trigger points? We've seen it before under different circumstances. I apologize if there is any confusion in anyone's mind about what this thread is supposed to be about.
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    Society brakes down when two things occur. #1 When people can not get what is critically important to them. This could be something basic like food or something more complicated like power or control. #2 When those people loose the fear of reprisal for taking what they want peaceful society falls apart.
    This showed up in New Orleans for the storm. But its basically the same thing showing up in any given inner city. For that matter it shows up in Washington, its just that the criminals are wearing a suit there.

    Of course there is a biblical (Romans 1:28) answer to your question but this isn't the proper place for that discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by high pockets View Post
    When does society begin to break down?

    I think it has begun. Just look at how some states are turning out-of-staters away at their borders.
    The FL Governor stated to day that he had to act after the number of daily flights from NYC jumped from 25-30 to 150+. Yeah, the rats are deserting the sinking ship. Action needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forester58 View Post
    We are headed for 3 to 5 years of another great depression like our parents and/or Grand parents went through. The stock market will not "roar back" to 30,000. Too many jobs are lost for good. Plus, the whole thing is not real when a single news conference can tank the whole thing. How many people will pack stadiums, tourist attractions, restaurants and such now? How many will go get a massage or pack a music venue? The Government cannot buy its way back from this, it will help a little but, very little. I don't expect most will see a "stimulus" check before Thanksgiving.
    By that time many will get very desperate. Help support your less fortunate neighbors and your community. That is how you protect yourself not, a "bugout" fantasy. Do what you can to strengthen your own neighborhood ties.
    If you think this "blows over" I think you missed the reality.
    I fear you may very well be right.

    Hoping things turn around quickly on the other side of this mess, but the indications at this point aren't too rosy. It looks like it's gonna be a very deep hole to climb out of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post
    I fear you may very well be right.

    Hoping things turn around quickly on the other side of this mess, but the indications at this point aren't too rosy. It looks like it's gonna be a very deep hole to climb out of.
    Even all the positive pundits are starting to change their tunes if you listen closely to news its starting to get less rosy on all the predictions of "buy stocks now" and this will "roar back". 10 or 20% unemployment starts to sink in. I see a lot of people trying to shed consumer debt these days and get some cash reserves. Look at all the newer cars for sale around town and all the stuff going on Craigslist and Facebook classifieds. Trouble is not a lot of buyers. Real estate will tank even more and those needing to sell might be stuck for a while. Cash is what we should be hoarding right now.
    We have been preparing for retirement so we are in a pretty good spot with the only debt our house which at $590 a month is a cheaper mortgage than we could ever replace with renting. We are "practice" living on the retirement wages now just to see how it goes and what changes we may need to make when we really have to live on that amount. It just seems like "stuff" to us is becoming less and less important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forester58 View Post
    Even all the positive pundits are starting to change their tunes if you listen closely to news its starting to get less rosy on all the predictions of "buy stocks now" and this will "roar back". 10 or 20% unemployment starts to sink in. I see a lot of people trying to shed consumer debt these days and get some cash reserves. Look at all the newer cars for sale around town and all the stuff going on Craigslist and Facebook classifieds. Trouble is not a lot of buyers. Real estate will tank even more and those needing to sell might be stuck for a while. Cash is what we should be hoarding right now.
    We have been preparing for retirement so we are in a pretty good spot with the only debt our house which at $590 a month is a cheaper mortgage than we could ever replace with renting. We are "practice" living on the retirement wages now just to see how it goes and what changes we may need to make when we really have to live on that amount. It just seems like "stuff" to us is becoming less and less important.
    Once backed into a tight corner, most of us learn that a lot of what we saw as essential are really things we could do without. I retired 6 years ago, and it's an adjustment. But it's one that isn't too hard to deal with if you've done a little advance planning. Sounds like you're doing everything right.
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    ABC World News reported that some governors are under pressure to order lockdowns because they haven't done so. The only thing about the report is that they didn't say who was pressuring these governors. More fake news? It may be good idea to do so but they're just asking for civil unrest. They wouldn't need to issue such orders if people would follow advisories. I think the socialists are loving what's going on.
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    As I predicted, people are becoming emotionally spent on the whole lock down. The good news is they are meeting with friends and family. That means mental healing and peaceful assembly. Not good for virus containment, but...it is easing the pressure.

    So what next? Clamp down? That means more police presence or talk of National Guard. I don't think most police forces have the stomach or even manpower for increased public contact. They would need to ignore self isolation orders.

    So if not clampdown, ease up? More focused isolation of high risk groups? Outright lie about optimistic virus numbers? It is always good PR to make policy that mimics what people are doing anyway. "See? They're following orders!"
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