Now they've gone and done it! Beards and Turbans
This is a discussion on Now they've gone and done it! Beards and Turbans within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; I'll just say this about the history of the Sikhs & the Turks, if we're outnumbered and in a battle for our lives..... I'll hopefully ...
January 6th, 2017 10:50 PM
I'll just say this about the history of the Sikhs & the Turks, if we're outnumbered and in a battle for our lives..... I'll hopefully be standing next to those guys. And I won't care what they have on their heads ......... I'll be grateful they are there. Historically with them the only reason they will stop fighting, .... is if they are dead.
January 7th, 2017 12:02 AM
Very true! Then there's the Gurka that faced down and battled 40 robbers on a train with just his kukri! He was going to stand down until they tried to rape a woman who called out to him to "save a sister". So he did! He gave three dozen cowardly robbers all they could could handle- by himself!
Originally Posted by wsquared
Many great powers have had the wisdom to incorporate warriors of other cultures into their armies, accommodating their customs. From the Romans to British, their mixed armies swept their foes before them for centuries.
January 7th, 2017 01:02 AM
It appears the progressive liberal agenda is social re-engineering our great military again. It will be just a matter of time, when non-deployed soldiers will be allowed to wear civilian clothes to work on a daily basis.... you know to keep they ACUs from being worn out in a non-combat environment. Of course, they still expect their annual clothing allowance of $468 for military uniforms, but also the Initial civilian allowance of $ 1,041 with an annual replacement allowance of $347. The progressive won't stop until professional military formations look like a Bling-bling gathering instead, IMHO.
Originally Posted by HotGuns
January 7th, 2017 01:03 AM
God, I really hope so!
Originally Posted by 5lima30ret
January 7th, 2017 01:49 AM
January 7th, 2017 03:26 AM
Couldn't agree more. There are bigger issues in the world other than who's wearing what on their head. Seems like Libs and Conservatives now days are becoming "outraged" over everything and anything.
Originally Posted by keboostman
January 7th, 2017 11:27 AM
Its pretty much always the same thing on military matters.
The people that have served wont agree with the change catering to other nationalities.
The people that haven't served don't see it as a big deal.
Its one of the many reasons that I believe a requirement for President have served in the military...so that they would have a clue.
If that was the case, maybe, just maybe, the military wouldn't be used a staging ground for social experiments and every touchy feely fad coming down the line by clueless and hostile administrations like the one we are enduring now.
Its just more stupidity by a President that couldn't even pass a background check to get a security clearance.
If you want to join the military, why would you expect the rules to change just for you?
Today its Muslims and Sikhs.
Whats it gonna be tommorow?
Rainbow colored hats for the sexually confused?
Straw hats for farmboys?
Pacific Islanders wearing coconuts on their heads?
When will it stop?
January 7th, 2017 01:03 PM
I can't picture them with beards either! How can that be "fair"?
Originally Posted by SouthernBoyVA
LEARN something today so you can TEACH something tomorrow.
Dominus Vobiscum <))>( Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge?" T.S. Elliot
January 7th, 2017 02:54 PM
Yeah, beards on women is definitely not a turn on for me.
Originally Posted by dV8r
In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?
January 7th, 2017 03:21 PM
It all should be decided on a case by case basis. All I care about is if they can do the job and protect us. If something as simple as clothing is the difference between having these guys fight for or cause and freedom or not, I don't see what the problem is. Wanting to keep the status quo just because "that's how it's always been and that's how it was when I served" doesn't seem like a good reason to be against a rule change.
Originally Posted by HotGuns
January 7th, 2017 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by baren
Slima30ret ..... I'm inclined to almost take that bet... I'm not sure at all that Gen Mattis would, he knows the history of Sikhs, not only in combat, etc. but their religion. I also think with Gen Mattis would tell any soldier that wanted a bible in his gear, an officer's office, etc. that it is NO problem either. However, I'm not too sure you would find him doing the same for Muslims ..... he knows their history over the last couple thousand years too.
January 7th, 2017 09:57 PM
Here's the thing. I wouldn't go over to India and enlist in their army and insist that I didn't wear their hat what ever it may be, with their uniform because of my "religion".
Lets say that the entire Indian Army was wearing turbans. I am going to enlist and refuse to wear it, because I didn't agree with it?
No. Because one....I have more RESPECT than that.
And two...I knew what the uniform was before I enlisted.
Any argument FOR wearing a rag or anything else on your head totally ignores both.
It so dang simple that it eludes many people. Don't like the hat?
January 8th, 2017 12:33 PM
What if someone was born here in the US? IF their parents happen to be Sihk, and they were raised in the religion, and wish to honor their parents by maintaining their faith.
Should that prevent them from volunteering for military service? If they love what this country stands for, shouldn't they have the opportunity to fight for it, regardless of what religion they adhere to? If a man is willing to bleed - and maybe die - for something I believe in, I tend to be willing to respect the things that he believes in too.
January 8th, 2017 12:42 PM
This isn't about respecting anyone's culture, religion, ect. Its about PC. Uniformity has its place in the military. As does good order and discipline. When I was at PI SC for Marine Corps boot camp I remember being told we were no longer white, black, brown, ect. But GREEN. That premise allowed diverse people to function as a team. Political Correctness is the TOOL used to dismantle our country and our military. Its the WHY that bothers me. I hope those on active duty know how to respond to unlawful orders. One day they may be all that stands between us and tyranny imho.
January 8th, 2017 12:43 PM