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This is a discussion on Secret U.S. Missile Aims to Kill Only Terrorists, Not Nearby Civilians within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by The Old Anglo UH,Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were Both Military Targets. Please check your facts. My post read "high priority military targets". ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Old Anglo View Post
    UH,Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were Both Military Targets. Please check your facts.
    My post read "high priority military targets". Please read what you criticize before you respond.

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    I've just GOTTA post this...

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    No big boom sucks the fun right out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    No big boom sucks the fun right out of it.
    But, if the terrorist is filming propaganda when it hits, itíll make a heck of a YouTube video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1942bull View Post
    I had to do it. I looked up a calculator to determine fall time and ft. Lbs per second for a 100 pound object. I only had HS physics and that was 60 years ago so forgive me if I did this wrong. Assuming the object is dropped from 5,000 feet it will take it 17.63 seconds to hit the target in a free fall. It will develop 567 foot pounds per. Now I think that means a 100 pound object would hit with 56,700 pounds of energy. That would be like having a 56,700 pound weight dropped on you fro, a height of about 10 meters. Hopefully someone here recalls physics better than I. It would be nice to know what the correct calculation is.
    You started off OK, but you went into the weeds a bit in your calcs.

    Neglecting wind resistance, 17.6 seconds will be the time of flight, and 567 will be the velocity at impact in feet per second.

    Kinetic energy = 1/2 * mass * velocity squared. Mass = F/a or in this example, 500 lb/ 32.2 ft/sec/sec =15.5 slugs (lb-sec^2/ft).
    So KE = 1/2 * (15.5 lb-sec^2/ft) *(567 ft/sec)^2, or... 321,489 foot-pounds.

    You were off by a factor of 6, but above 10,000 ft-lbs, in terms of the effects on the human body, it won't make an effective difference (except maybe the size of the scraps left behind).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post
    I've just GOTTA post this...

    Not official without the "Acme Anvil Co." on the anvil!
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    If the motor is not a sustained burn I think I would let it free fall to terminal velocity and then kick the motor in for the terminal phase so we don't lose energy to drag in a sustained glide to the target.
    But that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    Not official without the "Acme Anvil Co." on the anvil!
    There's just no pleasin' some guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwell97 View Post
    But, if the terrorist is filming propaganda when it hits, itíll make a heck of a YouTube video.
    Let them film this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    How "secret" can a weapon be that is in the Wall St. Journal? I'm sure the terrorists will not find out about it there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by retired badge 1 View Post
    My post read "high priority military targets". Please read what you criticize before you respond.
    Please Educate yourself. https://www.quora.com/Did-Hiroshima-...vilian-targets

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    Quote Originally Posted by retired badge 1 View Post
    Interesting.

    During World War II if there was a ball bearing factory in a German town producing parts for a German tank or aircraft factory the Allies carpet bombed that town. Nearby residential areas housing skilled workers and engineers were considered legitimate target.

    Neither Hiroshima nor Nagasaki were high priority military targets. They were selected as a demonstration of the futility of further resistance, and the historical record clearly shows that these bombings resulted in the capitulation of Japan, thus saving the Allied forces from the need for invasion against a hostile populace. Proof, you ask? The US government planned for the invasion of the Japanese home islands, making estimates of the casualties to be expected, and placed an order for 400,000 Purple Heart medals, and those Purple Heart medals are still being issued today, thanks to the fact that we didn't have to invade.

    War is ugly. War is to be avoided whenever possible. But when war becomes inevitable it must be conducted ruthlessly and ended as swiftly as possible, which limits casualties in the long run.
    My father flew those missions. You have to remember they didn't have "smart" bombs like we do today. The technology of the day (Norden bombsight and "dumb" bombs) and German defenses (flak, fighters, and smoke pots) made the need for great skill in delivering the usual 4-5 thousand pound bomb load. That load was normally 8-10 500 pound iron bombs. That bomb load was released in a matter of seconds, so "carpet bombing" is somewhat of a misnomer. According to the Squadron history, dad only participated in one true "carpet bombing" mission out of the 33 missions he flew, that being a mission to destroy entrenched German troops in northern Italy.

    The British perfected the technique of "carpet bombing" at places such as Dresden using small incendiary bombs, a technique we picked up for B-29 raids on vulnerable Japanese cities. The B-29 fire raids caused a great many more causalities than the atomic bombs. 100,000 dead and estimates of as many as 400,000 injured - in ONE NIGHT. Here is a little information on the deadliest bombing mission in history:

    https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-pl...ory-180954512/

    And here is a little bit about the B-17 in WWII.

    https://www.britannica.com/technology/B-17

    @mcp1810 Post #22 ---> BINGO exactly how you do it. That comes at the expense of standoff range, but that is why you carry the weapon on a very quiet running Reaper at 12-15 thousand feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
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