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    It might be stereotyping a bit to say police officers like guns. When I was in the dept., there were the gun guys and then there was everyone else and the everyone elses outnumbered us. You might be surprised by the number of recruits who have either never fired a handgun or have done so only on a few occasions.
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    Another thing to consider.....police officers are people just like us. They live in neighborhoods, they have families and homes and churches. What happens when they start getting on the wrong side of those they live among? There may be some Unintended Consequences to their actions that they might just choose to avoid....

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    It would be up to police departments to enforce it if it was passed at the state level. If it is a federal law it is up to the federal government to enforce it. They can ask locals to be nice and help them out but they can not compel them to do it. Just like immigration laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CavemanBob View Post
    It might be stereotyping a bit to say police officers like guns. When I was in the dept., there were the gun guys and then there was everyone else and the everyone elses outnumbered us. You might be surprised by the number of recruits who have either never fired a handgun or have done so only on a few occasions.
    Im quite sure there are lots of people who go into the academy having never fired a gun, there are lots of people who go into the army who have never fired a gun. However, anybody who wants to be a police officer would know that police officers use and carry guns. They know that they will use and carry guns if they ever become a police officer. Therefore it doesn't make sense that somebody who despises guns would go into that line of work. It would be like somebody who despises computers becoming a computer programmer.

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    Just pondering here...
    Private firearm ownership becomes illegal. Many turn them in, many don't.
    Those that don't stash them away but can never use them.
    Neighbors are compelled to inform. If one were to go shooting, law enforcement would show up.
    Who's going to be the first to "take one for the team" and start a civil war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonGuy View Post
    Some people have missed the point. Of course the kind of gun control that Japan has would not work in the USA. The USA has a history that's rich in guns, Japan does not. The USA has a big gun culture, Japan does not. The USA has hundreds of millions of guns that are privately owned, Japan does not. But history and gun culture aside, I was just using Japan as an example of what the gun control crowd has as their wet dream for gun control in the USA.

    Anyway the point is this, even if, hypothetically speaking, the USA does get much stricter gun control like the kind of gun control that other countries such as the above mentioned Japan has, we know that won't happen but for sake of discussion lets just say it does, it would be up to the police departments to enforce it. It can be reasonable to say the police departments would not enforce it. After all, police officers like guns.

    The majority do not and have not for decades

    If somebody in the police department doesn't like guns what are they doing as a police officer?

    It's a tool on their belt, like a carpenters hammer or screw driver, just part of the "kit" of doing the job.

    If you don't like guns it doesn't make sense to take on a job where you carry and use guns.

    Carry yes, use, not much if at all.

    Therefore it is safe to say that the police would not enforce such laws,

    What rock have you been hiding under for the last several decades if we ever were to have super strict gun control such as what I mentioned above.
    Seems you're fairly out of touch with the pulse of law enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patkelly4370 View Post
    Just pondering here...
    Private firearm ownership becomes illegal. Many turn them in, many don't.
    Those that don't stash them away but can never use them.
    Neighbors are compelled to inform. If one were to go shooting, law enforcement would show up.
    Who's going to be the first to "take one for the team" and start a civil war?

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    To start one, you need more than one. If it's defiance on a case by case basis and not tens of thousands taking the streets, it'll never be a civil war as commonly thought of based on the one in the mid 1800's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    The majority do not and have not for decades
    It's a tool on their belt, like a carpenters hammer or screw driver, just part of the "kit" of doing the job.
    I could not imagine somebody who hates hammers and/or screwdrivers ever becoming a carpenter. That being the case, why would somebody who doesn't like guns go into a job where they have to come into contact with guns, even if it's just as a tool on their belt?
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    Carry yes, use, not much if at all.
    They do have to shoot at the range, from what I do know police have to qualify every year at the police range, and police training does involve I believe some range time.
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    Seems you're fairly out of touch with the pulse of law enforcement.
    Perhaps I am, in that case I seek enlightenment on the subject matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonGuy View Post
    I could not imagine somebody who hates hammers and/or screwdrivers ever becoming a carpenter. That being the case, why would somebody who doesn't like guns go into a job where they have to come into contact with guns, even if it's just as a tool on their belt?


    Because the job pays well and great benefits, strong unions
    They do have to shoot at the range, from what I do know police have to qualify every year at the police range, and police training does involve I believe some range time.
    Many qual once a year because it's mandatory, and never shoot another round all year. Sometimes that means just 50 rds a year

    Perhaps I am, in that case I seek enlightenment on the subject matter.

    Most leo's are terrible shots, been that way for decades. To the point many academies have dumbed down the requirements to qualify so low, my 8 year old nephew could pass their standards.
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    There is a significant portion of the LEO population that view themselves more as social workers on the street than as enforcement agents of the law. To them the gun on their belt is a necessary evil of the job. For them to do what they want to do they have to carry it and qualify with it.
    There are also a fair number of LEOs who took the job because they passed the test and it had the best pay and benefits package of anything they qualified for at the time.

    For some it's a calling, for some it is just a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    This ^^^. They are going to do just like they did with the NY SAFE Act. A few token confiscations to scare the heck out of everyone and then nothin'. People who crow, "They could never enforce a gun ban" just don't get it. They don't need to enforce it. They don't even want to enforce it. That's not the point. Gun control is not about guns, it is about control.
    Brother I truly believe you need to take six months or so and ride around with law enforcement. If you really think people who defy the law and have guns in their possession are scared by government, IMHO you are just hanging around with the wrong class of people. I assure you there are many thousands of people who have zero respect for any human life, not to mention laws. And I almost choked when I read the part about control. If anyone thinks those who defy the law are under control when they are armed, there must be some problem with cognizance. No one here is crowing. I suspect that, just as in the days of prohibition, such laws will just instantly create untold millions of criminals. Perhaps we should remember that socialism is faulty logic. A system that believes a population can be controlled while it still has access to lethal weapons is suspect of faulty logic.

    Australia has more guns in private hands now than it did before their National Firearms Agreement and the big buy back. But you can't carry 'em. You can't keep 'em loaded. You better not be found with one that's not registered. If you use one for SD, you are as likely to go to jail as the perp. And the cops can inspect your collection and storage anytime they want with no warrant. And if you become an annoyance to the government for any reason, they might just cancel your owners permit. Similar in Canada and the UK.
    That all works in Australia. This isn't Australia. Completely different form of government.

    It's true: Nobody is coming for your guns. What they plan to do is make them useless and make you vulnerable. That is more valuable to them than taking your guns. If gun controllers have their way, the only really free men will be people who don't have guns.
    I don't know about anybody else, but my guns are not primarily for entertainment purposes on the range. They are to allow me to protect my family and myself - from whomever presents a threat. Texans owned firearms while enduring the dictatorship of Santa Ana. He chose to try to go door to door, as it were, and ended up getting sent back to Mexico with his tail between his legs and a lot smaller army than he started with. We know how to provide freedom for our families. It's too bad many Americans have forgotten how.
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    Just leave our guns Alone Period!. Just keeping it Simple so the left understands!.

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    [QUOTE=seeker_two;7673754]Another thing to consider.....police officers are people just like us. They live in neighborhoods, they have families and homes and churches. What happens when they start getting on the wrong side of those they live among? There may be some Unintended Consequences to their actions that they might just choose to avoid....

    "Unintended Consequences..." I see what you did there. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post

    Because the job pays well and great benefits, strong unions
    Many qual once a year because it's mandatory, and never shoot another round all year. Sometimes that means just 50 rds a year
    Most leo's are terrible shots, been that way for decades. To the point many academies have dumbed down the requirements to qualify so low, my 8 year old nephew could pass their standards.
    Pays well? Not from what I heard. One of my best friends from school had a dad who was a lieutenant in his city's police department. He had a college degree and he was very high up in the department. He made good money but that was only because of his level at the department. He wore a white shirt which is what the high ranking police officers wear. Yet even on his salary he had to take both his children out of private school and put them in public school.
    I also know of a case of somebody who became a police officer which was what he always wanted to do and he was making eight dollars an hour. This was twenty or so years ago but even back then 8 an hour was not tremendous pay. It was on the news, it was somebody who had helped disarm a bomb in some sports stadium. There are many jobs that pay much better than what a police officer gets paid, at least what a police officer gets paid who is not really high in rank.
    Jobs are judged on two factors, pay and stress. Ideally you would want a job with high pay and low stress. Since being a police officer is high stress and it doesn't pay particularly well I would think for somebody to be a police officer they would really want to do it. There are some people who have a passion for such a job and their passion and desire would have to override the high stress and low pay. Its not an easy job and its something you've really got to commit to, I would suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonGuy View Post
    Pays well? Not from what I heard. One of my best friends from school had a dad who was a lieutenant in his city's police department. He had a college degree and he was very high up in the department. He made good money but that was only because of his level at the department. He wore a white shirt which is what the high ranking police officers wear. Yet even on his salary he had to take both his children out of private school and put them in public school.
    I also know of a case of somebody who became a police officer which was what he always wanted to do and he was making eight dollars an hour. This was twenty or so years ago but even back then 8 an hour was not tremendous pay. It was on the news, it was somebody who had helped disarm a bomb in some sports stadium. There are many jobs that pay much better than what a police officer gets paid, at least what a police officer gets paid who is not really high in rank.
    Jobs are judged on two factors, pay and stress. Ideally you would want a job with high pay and low stress. Since being a police officer is high stress and it doesn't pay particularly well I would think for somebody to be a police officer they would really want to do it. There are some people who have a passion for such a job and their passion and desire would have to override the high stress and low pay. Its not an easy job and its something you've really got to commit to, I would suppose.
    In 1991, a patrolman in a small town dept in Ma. was making over 100K a year with overtime, court time and off duty road job traffic control. Base pay was something like 40K.

    Starting pay for NYC patrolman is just over 40K with healthcare and benefits which are worth 20K a year. Starting pay in LA is 62K with similar benefits.

    Back in 91, there were 1K people applying and taking civil service exams for every 10 positions available. If you didn't have at least a 98 score on the exam, you weren't even considered for one of the 10 slots available. Today, many dept's require leo's to have a bachelors degree for consideration.
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