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I thought I heard everything, but this tops them all.

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    I thought I heard everything, but this tops them all.

    I wonder if there will be any LEOs left in California?

    Fatal police shootings could become a crime under proposed California law

    SAN FRANCISCO — A showdown over when police in this state can use deadly force is set to unfold in the California Legislature next week, one that could bring sweeping changes to local law enforcement departments that give officers broad latitude in deciding when to shoot to kill.

    At issue is Assembly Bill 392, known as the California Act to Save Lives, which would put the onus on officers to justify discharging their weapon, shifting the standard from “reasonable” — as defined by the Supreme Court's 1989 Graham v Connor ruling — to “necessary.” That means that, under the proposed bill, police must feel confident that it is truly necessary to shoot to protect themselves or others from danger, or they could be prosecuted for killing their victim.

    Instead of reaching for their guns, officers would be pressed to engage in de-escalation tactics — in addition to considering options such as a Taser or a baton — that aim to reduce tension between officer and suspect. Experts say these include listening to the suspect's story, explaining the actions an officer is about to take, and ensuring that the suspect's dignity is preserved throughout the interaction.


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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I wonder if there will be any LEOs left in California?

    Fatal police shootings could become a crime under proposed California law

    SAN FRANCISCO — A showdown over when police in this state can use deadly force is set to unfold in the California Legislature next week, one that could bring sweeping changes to local law enforcement departments that give officers broad latitude in deciding when to shoot to kill.

    At issue is Assembly Bill 392, known as the California Act to Save Lives, which would put the onus on officers to justify discharging their weapon, shifting the standard from “reasonable” — as defined by the Supreme Court's 1989 Graham v Connor ruling — to “necessary.” That means that, under the proposed bill, police must feel confident that it is truly necessary to shoot to protect themselves or others from danger, or they could be prosecuted for killing their victim.

    Instead of reaching for their guns, officers would be pressed to engage in de-escalation tactics — in addition to considering options such as a Taser or a baton — that aim to reduce tension between officer and suspect. Experts say these include listening to the suspect's story, explaining the actions an officer is about to take, and ensuring that the suspect's dignity is preserved throughout the interaction.


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...JnKeP_qrc_hNiY
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    They need a good contingent of cops in that legislature. Too many sheltered fools who've never dealt with dangerous people making laws about dealing with dangerous people.
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    I saw on the Portland, Oregon local television news that their police department has over one hundred openings that they can't find qualified applicants to apply for today. It is only going to get worse
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    They need a good contingent of cops in that legislature. Too many sheltered fools who've never dealt with dangerous people making laws about dealing with dangerous people.
    One of the problems with non-dangerous people is that they lump all dangerous people together. Another problem is that they genuinely believe that they have some understanding about how to deal with dangerous people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    I saw on the Portland, Oregon local television news that their police department has over one hundred openings that they can't find qualified applicants to apply for today. It is only going to get worse
    Qualifications themselves often discourage the best-suited from pursuing such careers.
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    I'm amazed anyone becomes a cop in those bastions of cop hatred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    They need a good contingent of cops in that legislature. Too many sheltered fools who've never dealt with dangerous people making laws about dealing with dangerous people.

    If the person is dangerous, can't an officer explain why that person is dangerous and why they needed to draw a gun on the person?
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    Too many in California consider LEO “dangerous” for various reasons be it cultural conditioning, rap sheets, outstanding warrants, idiots and bleeding hearts.
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    One thing I've learned, is that the more stupid you gather in one place, the greater the stupid gets. Exponentially.

    Much like the top brass that I currently work for. There is a shortage of people going into the custodial field. The people who normally work those jobs also work in the trades. Right now, the trades are paying more than the school district I work for does. How would rational people attract more candidates? Would they lower the starting wage, and cut the entry level positions to 9 month jobs? That's what was done, and now we have even fewer applicants (as was predicted by myself and many others).

    We have a growing number of people in this nation who are truly stupid, truly ignorant, or both. I'm not shocked that this has been proposed. I would never have conceived this as a possibility though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    I saw on the Portland, Oregon local television news that their police department has over one hundred openings that they can't find qualified applicants to apply for today. It is only going to get worse
    ^^This^^

    is going on everywhere. Police departments around the country used to attract literally hundreds of applicants for a handful of openings. No more. And we all know why. Society is slowly receding due to the Left. It will come to a complete halt in the big cities first, then spread outward.

    For those unaware, big cities like Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, etc have been hiring "soft felons" for a long time, so the department "represents" the city makeup (i.e. inclusiveness, affirmative action, etc). Not good for those cities, and really not good for its inhabitants who don't hide behind walls and armed security.
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    We need a sequel to "Escape from NY"

    Maybe kind of a RoboFelon dystopian bladerunner style movie based on LA without LEO
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    Wow, just—wow!
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    People, good and bad need to realize that if you don't follow a LEO's commands it probably will not be good. Plain and simple. Just my two cents worth.
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    I take it the California snowflake idiots who wrote that drivel never spent any time with cops on a "ride along" or two.
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