You would think this would be a no-brainer

You would think this would be a no-brainer

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    You would think this would be a no-brainer

    I can't imagine this being a controversial subject at all...

    Florida authorizes armed paramedics for hostage standoffs, mass shooting response

    Paramedics can now be armed when responding to mass shootings or hostage standoffs.
    Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill Friday championed by Broward law enforcement agencies that authorizes trained paramedics and physicians attached to a SWAT team to carry a firearm during high-risk operations.


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    Good for them. At least they can defend themselves.


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    I sure wished some aspiring politician would have authorized Chaplains working with SWAT teams to have a ballistic vest!
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    I can already hear the panicked reactions. "OMG, if I get into a wreck while I'm tweeting messages to my followers I don't want to get shot, too!"
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    Someone will certainly find something controversial about arming physicians and paramedics attached to SWAT. They are only to be armed for "high risk" operations. Does SWAT conduct "low risk" ops? I would think anytime SWAT gets called out there is the potential for any op to become high risk. Which might mean they are always armed "just in case".
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    Good thinking and we ALL have the Right of self-Defense!.
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    VA passed a bill like that, but Gov. Northam wouldn’t sign it.
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    Just make them special deputies. You could limit what they have the power to do like no arrests etc. Then they'll be able to carry whenever and wherever they need to.

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    I guess my questions are:
    1- If they are justified to carry in these two situations why can they not carry full time? Anyone reading papers today know that attacks on first responders such as Fire and Rescue have seen increased attacks over the years.
    2- Will they receive the same training as their LE counterparts? I'm talking about not only the range time but what about the shoot house, shoot/don't shoot scenarios and so on. If not then I would imagine lawsuits will come flying when they shoot someone and the lawyers start asking questions about their training.

    I agree with the need to protect themselves but I can see major issues if not done correctly.
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    This is how it should be. I really don’t understand why every SWAT team doesn’t have a couple medics as part of their team, much like how SOF units have SOCM’s, 18Ds, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShenandoahValley View Post
    I guess my questions are:
    1- If they are justified to carry in these two situations why can they not carry full time? Anyone reading papers today know that attacks on first responders such as Fire and Rescue have seen increased attacks over the years.
    2- Will they receive the same training as their LE counterparts? I'm talking about not only the range time but what about the shoot house, shoot/don't shoot scenarios and so on. If not then I would imagine lawsuits will come flying when they shoot someone and the lawyers start asking questions about their training.

    I agree with the need to protect themselves but I can see major issues if not done correctly.
    There is a certification course for tactical medics - those attached to SWAT teams. It is tough. IIRC they must learn everything a SWAT officer learns, plus all the very specialized medical techniques that military combat search and rescue medics (PJs) learn. And from my experience, the real danger is not the medic shooting someone, it is the medic getting shot during the SWAT operation.
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    Awww. Too bad, the rest of you lowly, non-SWAT paramedics can't carry. You're on your own.

    Stupid law. All or none. Make a decision; live with the consequences.
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    Too many variables associated with this "partial" law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpagus View Post
    Too many variables associated with this "partial" law.
    To avoid repercussions! Either poop or get off the pot!
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    Yup. Our grandson-in-law is a Paramedic. I'm slowly assembling a ballistic vest for him. He would have to carry it in a backpack, take time to put it on, and make sure it didn't get stolen, but it might save his life. I would feel better if he could carry.
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    It would be ludicrous to expect those who come to our rescue to be hobbled and stripped of their second amendment rights simply because they are there to help us - who's to say they might not help us by taking out a bg?
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