First Responder Murdered After Giving Narcan

First Responder Murdered After Giving Narcan

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    First Responder Murdered After Giving Narcan

    Link courtesy of Greg Ellifritz. A bunch of stuff can and sometimes does go very wrong, quickly:

    https://www.firefightingnews.com/bod...g-firefighter/
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    My wife says Narcan is a double edged sword: it can stop a potentially fatal overdose, OR it can ruin an expensive high, making the patient dangerous. She says the canned doses are the most dangerous ones to use. According to her, you can administer it slowly and not get so dangerous a reaction from the patient. Still, they almost never used it without armed security present.

    The most interesting aspect of that video is not the Narcan, but that fact that here was a guy willing to commit murder with a handgun in a carry holster. Extremely rare to find that.
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    Many of these overdoses around the nation are suicide attempts whether wittingly or not.

    Stop reviving them...

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    How unfortunate. I really question the benefit of administering Narcan to OD's, rather than just taking advantage of the inherent benefit of the opioid epidemic, that of naturally weeding out the number of drug abusers (aka morons) in society. Corpses are a lot easier and safer to handle.
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    Fortunately, Narcan does not work on a lead overdoes. IMO, it contributes to drug use/overdose enabling. Play that game, pay the price.
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    One more reason to not revive these pieces of shyte. We get opioid ODs in the ER all the time, they get Narcan and wake up all belligerent because we ruined their high. I say screw 'em, let nature take it's course.
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    The first step in emergency first aid, according to the Red Cross, is ensuring that the scene is safe for the responders. To me, that would include a pat down of the victim. I think especially if the victim is in distress as a result of some criminal activity like drugs, that should be a must and it wouldn't take that long. It also seems to me that at least one cop should have stayed close to the victim.

    The Virginia legislature passed a bill that first responders could carry concealed, the governor wouldn't sign it. Also, paramedics have all kinds of protective equipment. Maybe they need vests too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entertainment72 View Post
    Many of these overdoses around the nation are suicide attempts whether wittingly or not.

    Stop reviving them...
    I understand the sentiment, but first responders arenít gods, so they canít make that call. Their job is to save lives.

    What should be learned from this is that security comes first, emergency care second.
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    We carry Narcan when I volunteer for our sheriff's office, and we have been warned about this exact type of incident.
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    Sounds to me like the LEOs were asleep at the wheel --
    "Eventually, Houston became irate and drew his sidearm from a snap holster under his shirt, chambered a round, and opened fire.
    Failing to react in time, police officers ran around the other side of the bus. They eventually returned fire, but not before Houston succeeded in shooting Lundgaard and used a bystander as a human shield."

    Now wait a minute. They didn't frisk him even after he refused to be frisked, then he had time to draw from a snap holster, chamber a round? The LEOs were on "the other side of the bus?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotBrass45 View Post
    How unfortunate. I really question the benefit of administering Narcan to OD's, rather than just taking advantage of the inherent benefit of the opioid epidemic, that of naturally weeding out the number of drug abusers (aka morons) in society. Corpses are a lot easier and safer to handle.
    You would not feel that way if your kid was saved by a Narcan shot.
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    If memory serves from what I've read on the topic, Narcan competitively inhibits opioid receptor sites in the CNS, and when it takes effect the OD victim/volunteer is likely to be strung out as before.

    And, the Narcan can wear off before the opioid is eliminated, meaning that the OD subject can relapse.

    I appreciate the sentiments of those who would just let the ODs die, however I believe in supplying Narcan treatment, but only, only if it does not put the responder at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwell97 View Post
    I understand the sentiment, but first responders arenít gods, so they canít make that call. Their job is to save lives.

    What should be learned from this is that security comes first, emergency care second.
    It seems to me it was the "patient" who played god here. If the paramedics had "played god," one of them would be alive to go home to his family.

    Sometimes it's obvious that the gene pool is trying to adjust itself. We should not interfere.

    I think providing heartbeat and airway support is always warranted. Giving them something to help with a drug overdose? Not with my tax dollars, thank you.
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    I saw the video on national news this mourning. It appeared as if he "totally had ALL HIS FACULTIES," & was just plane mean/criminal in his actions, seconds before he draws & fires. Should have just let him OD on bus!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WC145 View Post
    One more reason to not revive these pieces of shyte. We get opioid ODs in the ER all the time, they get Narcan and wake up all belligerent because we ruined their high. I say screw 'em, let nature take it's course.
    Would you say let nature take its course if it were your family dying because of poor life choices they made, whether it be nutrition, tobacco, alcohol, or anything else on a long list of things that people do that contribute to injuries, medical issues, or death?
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