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    Quote Originally Posted by graydude View Post
    It does. What it doesn't address, though, is what corporate expectations are of employees when faced with this type of problem again.

    The bigger problem isn't Starbucks; cultural clashes there are just a visible symptom of the deepening divides in society. They used to.

    As a college student at UW in Seattle I occassionally went to the original Starbucks before the corporate explosion. It was a grungy place, full of smells, and what they really knew was how to make the best coffee in town so everybody went there. Late on any day you could see a guy in a business suit playing a pick up chess game with a scraggly musician, or other odd combo of strangers socializing over coffee. It was neutral ground and a welcoming environment, focused on good coffee.

    The key was the owners really knew how to get quality coffee beans and roast them to perfection. The lattes still tasted like quality espresso with only a bit of accent flavors.

    The baristas also didn't put up with any unruly customers. Bring an attitude toward anyone and you'd be told once to chill and be polite; anyone continuing to cause a problem would be escorted to the door. Late nights they sonetimes had to be bouncers, and they were known for their zero tolerance of drama of any kind.

    Upscaling that to a regional, national, and then global operation led to a major drop in quality, and foo-foo sugary drinks to hook the masses. It was good while it lasted.
    I find it ironic that the "evils" of capitalism are what led to a change in Starbucks given how "woke" they present themselves as being as a corporation. Kind of like all those hippies from the late 60s and 70s that became incredibly rich and forgot where they came from. Sad really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPS1980 View Post
    It's not paranoia when there is a pattern of behavior across the companies locations. One question, how often have we seen reports of LEOs being asked to leave, refused service, abused in Dukin Donuts, Waffle House, etc.? What is the single most common place that LEOs have had issues? Again, I understand that you worked for SB's and continue to patronize the company - but to imply its paranoia when we have a string of incidents and the company only appears to bend over backwards when a "woke" cause agent is offended is a bit much IMHO.
    I see reports of this type behavior at many different businesses, but for some reason Starbucks seems to ignite concepts of something that does not exist.

    First it was anti-gun because some pro-gun OC yahoos decided to use--without permission--Starbucks as its rallying point. In response, Starbucks asked--not demanded--people not to OC in the store. It also stated it would not refuse service if they did. THAT is the company gun policy.

    Then some really dumb decisions by a few employees--supported by some over zealous LEOs--caused some other "Hey look! It's Starbucks!" headlines. Wouldn't be great if a company's hiring practice was so perfect it could weed out any and all potential problem employees? Quite a lofty goal, if you ask me. To Starbucks credit, it deals with these incidents when they happen rather than sweep them under the rug and actively support such actions.

    But it's Starbucks, and it has to be their fault and supported by company policy. It fits the image, right?
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    FWIW, I would not have left but rather would have suggested to the employee(s) who asked me to leave to have the complaining customer to leave.

    Several years ago, a Buffalo Wind Wings in Manassas refused service to armed police unless they "secured" their sidearms. In another incident, a Denny's refused service to armed police (not in Virginia). This sort of thing is outrageous, whether you are a policeman or a private citizen who is armed. I have never seen a restaurant here in Virginia with a "No Guns" sign but I am sure there are probably a few around somewhere. And back in the day when I openly carried on a regular basis, I never had a problem when dining out with my sidearm in full view. Got to wonder who and what they're hiring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graydude View Post
    ....The bigger problem isn't Starbucks; cultural clashes there are just a visible symptom of the deepening divides in society....
    Agreed. Sadly, this could have happened at any number of similar genre businesses across America. That it was a Starbucks simply guaranteed national attention.

    We are staring deeply into the abyss as a nation.
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    Starbucks has been on it's last breath to me for quite some time. It is dead to me now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MB53 View Post
    Starbucks has been on it's last breath to me for quite some time. It is dead to me now.
    It's the McDonald's of coffee. When traveling it can suffice.
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    I don’t know who wrote the message below, but every time I hear of a situation like this I think of my cop kid and remember it.

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    Very slow roll response if they call for help !!!! I never go there anyway !!! Back in my day, we would have----------- and then ------------- !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabill View Post
    I would think someone’s butt is going get jumped by Managemaent. Throwing out 5 local officers, not very smart.
    Knowing Starbucks, the employee involved probably got a promotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graydude View Post
    It does. What it doesn't address, though, is what corporate expectations are of employees when faced with this type of problem again.

    The bigger problem isn't Starbucks; cultural clashes there are just a visible symptom of the deepening divides in society. They used to.

    As a college student at UW in Seattle I occassionally went to the original Starbucks before the corporate explosion. It was a grungy place, full of smells, and what they really knew was how to make the best coffee in town so everybody went there. Late on any day you could see a guy in a business suit playing a pick up chess game with a scraggly musician, or other odd combo of strangers socializing over coffee. It was neutral ground and a welcoming environment, focused on good coffee.

    The key was the owners really knew how to get quality coffee beans and roast them to perfection. The lattes still tasted like quality espresso with only a bit of accent flavors.

    The baristas also didn't put up with any unruly customers. Bring an attitude toward anyone and you'd be told once to chill and be polite; anyone continuing to cause a problem would be escorted to the door. Late nights they sonetimes had to be bouncers, and they were known for their zero tolerance of drama of any kind.

    Upscaling that to a regional, national, and then global operation led to a major drop in quality, and foo-foo sugary drinks to hook the masses. It was good while it lasted.
    Washington was very much a red state back in the 1970s, it wasn't until the early-mid 1980s that the cancer came in from California and turned everything backward. The Starbuck's of today is very much in line with the current political climate of Seattle, which is just a little to the left of full-blown insanity.

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    This just in:

    "TEMPE, AZ—A Starbucks in Tempe, Arizona had its lattes and cappuccinos turn into a crime of opportunity this weekend. The coffee shop was robbed at gunpoint by a masked man, and, surprisingly, the theft occurred in plain sight of six uniformed policemen watching through the store's front window.

    "The officers wanted to rush in and stop the crime but had just been asked to leave the establishment by a barista who told them that a customer "did not feel safe" with them in the coffee house."

    More at the Babylon Bee here:

    https://babylonbee.com/news/police-w...ign=benshapiro
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    I don't fault the individual flake who was "bothered" by the sight of several uniformed police as there is no shortage of odd-ball people roaming the planet .. but [I DO] fault the employee who would entertain such obvious and unreasonable nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban View Post
    I don't fault the individual flake who was "bothered" by the sight of several uniformed police as there is no shortage of odd-ball people roaming the planet .. but [I DO] fault the employee who would entertain such obvious and unreasonable nonsense.
    The triggered Snowflake and the employee in question are obviously cut from the same cloth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graydude View Post
    It's the McDonald's of coffee. When traveling it can suffice.
    Actually Mc D coffee is as good too me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graydude View Post
    It's the McDonald's of coffee. When traveling it can suffice.
    As far as I'm concerned McDonalds is McDonalds of coffee. Politics aside, I don't get coffee from starbucks because I don't understand the words they use to describe coffee.
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