Another thought provoking article about the low level conflict in the U.S.

Another thought provoking article about the low level conflict in the U.S.

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    Another thought provoking article about the low level conflict in the U.S.

    Someone else posted this elsewhere this morning, as an introduction to the linked article.

    Their are many people that think a Civil War is near. The Democrats constant harassment of our legally elected President, the threat of forcible arms confiscation, the unrelenting assault on religious liberties, the on going invasion of illegals, the proposed financial assault on Americas middleclass, the Socialist impact on families both social and financial, and the Democrats assault on the Constitution being just a few of the reasons, but mostly it is the failure to allow Donald Trump the right to operate as he was elected to do in 2016. The Venezuelan people faced the same situations to a degree and failed to act, now they are paying with their very lives.

    I personally am against a Civil War as everyone would be a loser in such. However, you can only push a Freedom Loving people so far.


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    Only idiots and arm chair Rambos want a civil war.
    But sometimes there is no alternative.
    I do not want my future grand kids to grow up in tyranny, so if push comes to shove,
    This old cowboy will fight.

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    Depending on next year's election outcome, things could get pretty sporty.
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    People keep talking about this as if is were some disease we have no control over. If right-thinking people would just get involved in the political process, or at least just VOTE, this would not be a problem. Only about 61% of eligible voters voted in 2016 and only about 54% in 2018. We still have the numbers to win, we just aren't using them.

    If everyone who wanted to put this right were contacting their representatives all the time, helping with campaigns they support and getting to the polls without fail. I'm tired of all the excuses:
    • "My reps are already to the left, so it won't make any difference." Wrong. Even if they still vote the same way, reps who are getting pressure from the other side tend not fight as hard for stuff significant numbers of their constituents are against.
    • "My vote won't make a difference." Wrong. Elections nowadays are swayed by smaller and smaller margins and politicians know it.
    • "My conservative rep 'betrayed' me by a couple of statements they made or a vote or two I didn't like, so I'm just not voting, or voting for some third party spoiler who has no chance of winning." Wrong. That just hands the power to the other side. I attended a speech by the late, great conservative thinker William F. Buckley, Jr. He said, "The only intelligent vote for a thinking conservative is for the most conservative candidate who has a chance of winning."
    • "I vote my wallet." That's BS. Elected officials actually have much less to do with the economy than we citizens at large do. It's our rights are we should be worried about. Without the Constitution, we will have an economy like Venezuela. How will your wallet feel about that?

    If you want to keep your rights, get involved. It is not too late to avoid both tyranny and bloodshed. I see a lot more moaning about the political situation here than calls to action. I think some gun owners like the idea of a shooting civil war more than the idea of getting off their backsides.
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    I vote in every election, local and national.
    I wonder if there is any information out there on which side of the political spectrum votes the least?
    Do conservative leaning people not bother to vote more than liberals? It would be interesting to know.
    I still believe every vote does count. Recent elections most of the time are getting way too close to call, so yes you could be the difference.
    Besides way to many people have died to give you that right, do not let them die in vain.
    Billions of people around the world would love to have that right.
    Do not sit home and just complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    People keep talking about this as if is were some disease we have no control over. If right-thinking people would just get involved in the political process, or at least just VOTE, this would not be a problem. Only about 61% of eligible voters voted in 2016 and only about 54% in 2018. We still have the numbers to win, we just aren't using them.

    If everyone who wanted to put this right were contacting their representatives all the time, helping with campaigns they support and getting to the polls without fail. I'm tired of all the excuses:
    • "My reps are already to the left, so it won't make any difference." Wrong. Even if they still vote the same way, reps who are getting pressure from the other side tend not fight as hard for stuff significant numbers of their constituents are against.
    • "My vote won't make a difference." Wrong. Elections nowadays are swayed by smaller and smaller margins and politicians know it.
    • "My conservative rep 'betrayed' me by a couple of statements they made or a vote or two I didn't like, so I'm just not voting, or voting for some third party spoiler who has no chance of winning." Wrong. That just hands the power to the other side. I attended a speech by the late, great conservative thinker William F. Buckley, Jr. He said, "The only intelligent vote for a thinking conservative is for the most conservative candidate who has a chance of winning."
    • "I vote my wallet." That's BS. Elected officials actually have much less to do with the economy than we citizens at large do. It's our rights are we should be worried about. Without the Constitution, we will have an economy like Venezuela. How will your wallet feel about that?

    If you want to keep your rights, get involved. It is not too late to avoid both tyranny and bloodshed. I see a lot more moaning about the political situation here than calls to action. I think some gun owners like the idea of a shooting civil war more than the idea of getting off their backsides.
    As much as I agree with this, I believe voter apathy in this country is insurmountable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    People keep talking about this as if is were some disease we have no control over. If right-thinking people would just get involved in the political process, or at least just VOTE, this would not be a problem. Only about 61% of eligible voters voted in 2016 and only about 54% in 2018. We still have the numbers to win, we just aren't using them.

    If everyone who wanted to put this right were contacting their representatives all the time, helping with campaigns they support and getting to the polls without fail. I'm tired of all the excuses:
    • "My reps are already to the left, so it won't make any difference." Wrong. Even if they still vote the same way, reps who are getting pressure from the other side tend not fight as hard for stuff significant numbers of their constituents are against.
    • "My vote won't make a difference." Wrong. Elections nowadays are swayed by smaller and smaller margins and politicians know it.
    • "My conservative rep 'betrayed' me by a couple of statements they made or a vote or two I didn't like, so I'm just not voting, or voting for some third party spoiler who has no chance of winning." Wrong. That just hands the power to the other side. I attended a speech by the late, great conservative thinker William F. Buckley, Jr. He said, "The only intelligent vote for a thinking conservative is for the most conservative candidate who has a chance of winning."
    • "I vote my wallet." That's BS. Elected officials actually have much less to do with the economy than we citizens at large do. It's our rights are we should be worried about. Without the Constitution, we will have an economy like Venezuela. How will your wallet feel about that?

    If you want to keep your rights, get involved. It is not too late to avoid both tyranny and bloodshed. I see a lot more moaning about the political situation here than calls to action. I think some gun owners like the idea of a shooting civil war more than the idea of getting off their backsides.
    While I agree with every argument you presented, those on the left can accurately make the same ones. The left has one thing we lack, which is the full, unrelenting support and resources of mainstream media. Continuously feed those in the middle an endless supply of Kool-ade, and many are bound to partake, and vote accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    While I agree with every argument you presented, those on the left can accurately make the same ones. The left has one thing we lack, which is the full, unrelenting support and resources of mainstream media. Continuously feed those in the middle an endless supply of Kool-ade, and many are bound to partake, and vote accordingly.
    When the enemy has an advantage, you just have to fight harder to win. The media cannot make anyone vote the way they say. The media does not go into the voting booth with anyone. The Trump victory proved that.

    On VCDL Lobby Day in January, one of my team's office visits was to a pro-gun delegate who had been in state politics for 20 years. He told me the secret to turning things around is just to get more people out to vote. He said it is a myth that "get out the vote" efforts favor liberals. That is only true if liberals only target certain narrow groups to get to the polls. His experience had been that higher voter turnouts spread evenly across demographics, will favor conservatives.

    I think the media and the liberals are making fools of themselves and I think most people are smart enough to see that. I think it will backfire on them except for one thing: apathy. The enemy is not the left, or the media. It is apathy. We are not losing the war, we are giving up.
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    Only madmen desire war. Having said that, there is one thing that might be ranked as a "positive" to the experience and that is that priorities long forgotten are once again brought to the forefront.

    People soon forget the "blessings of peace" when it lapses into complacency.

    Just a cautionary lesson from history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airslot View Post
    Depending on next year's election outcome, things could get pretty sporty.
    The Socialist traitors win, you can expect them to follow through on their threats. They lose? Well, look at the crybabies and violence right now. When the President came to town and rode only 2 blocks away from us, we hunkered down. Fortunately, in this town, there weren't any riots. But I could see them a block away, fists in the air, ready to protest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    People keep talking about this as if is were some disease we have no control over. If right-thinking people would just get involved in the political process, or at least just VOTE, this would not be a problem. Only about 61% of eligible voters voted in 2016 and only about 54% in 2018. We still have the numbers to win, we just aren't using them.
    I saw a video in which a Democrat researcher estimated that Facebook's flash message urging liberals to get out and vote in the 2016 election added a MINIMUM of 2.5 million Democrat votes.
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    Oddly enough the only folks talking about civil war are far right conservative republicans mostly with an evangelical slant. They tweet about it. DJT recirculates their tweets. The whole damn topic is political rubric aimed at stoking fear in the base. The vast majority of Americans give it no credence. I am among that group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSafety View Post
    I saw a video in which a Democrat researcher estimated that Facebook's flash message urging liberals to get out and vote in the 2016 election added a MINIMUM of 2.5 million Democrat votes.
    And they still lost. And that estimate was done by a Democratic researcher, which is a euphemism for "someone who lies with statistics." We have access to most of the social media they do. We have other means to get the word out.

    I can think up as many obstacles we face as anyone can. Those obstacles just make me more determined. I will be manning the VCDL booth at a community fair this Saturday. We will probably get some people in our faces. There is a lady who comes and harasses us at a lot of community events. She'll probably be there. But we will stand firm, with restraint and logic. We will recruit a lot of new members.

    I'm not scared of Facebook. I'm not scared of kids who still live in their parents' basements, wear ski masks and throw milkshakes at people. I'm not scared of nut-job politicians. I am scared that right thinking people will back down in the face of all that and not stand up and be patriots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1942bull View Post
    Oddly enough the only folks talking about civil war are far right conservative republicans mostly with an evangelical slant. They tweet about it. DJT recirculates their tweets. The whole damn topic is political rubric aimed at stoking fear in the base. The vast majority of Americans give it no credence. I am among that group.
    You certainly see things from the left...kind of a deep-state take on things.

    This post sounds like it could have been written by any one of about 20 leftist talking heads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootnlead View Post
    You certainly see things from the left...kind of a deep-state take on things.

    This post sounds like it could have been written by any one of about 20 leftist talking heads.
    Fact is that I do. not buy into the fear sowed by so many ultra right folks. Over 77 years I have heard all the fear invoking theories and witnessed the "sky is falling" predictions come to nothing but motivation for new speculation that also comes to nothing. I am neither left nor right. I am an open minded American.
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