This is a discussion on Mega shoot out in Mexico City - Police lose within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by viney266 I see the point..and I HEAR what you are saying, but I respectfully disagree...some local rabble then got organized and made ...
Cartel: hey Jose innocent guy go join the self defense group or we kill your kids. Find out who the members are then come and report to us.
JOSE: Si Señor, yes sir.
Or any number of variations to that strategy the results being the same the self defense force members get found out and eliminated or they get infiltrated by cartel members and same results or even better the self defense force finds out they like being in charge and join the cartel ranks. There will be no citizen uprising against the cartels in MX
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them.....well, I have others.
For anyone interested in an entertaining series, Netflix has Narcos-Mexico. It is about El Chapo and how he started the Sinaloa cartel, which was also the invention of the cartel system in Mexico. I have no idea how accurate it actually is since it is a series for entertainment and not a documentary. It does portray the torture and murder of the DEA agents from during the Reagan admin. I remember that but did not know it was El Chapo's cartel. The series is fast paced and fun and highlights the corruption in Mexico. Season two has been announced.
It takes a Viking to raze a village.
The only way Mexico will get better, is if Americans stop buying drugs. WE are financing the cartels. If Americans had to see the faces of the dead, and their grieving families, then just maybe they would do what was necessary to get off the drugs.
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I wonder if those citizens trust the government?
"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" ~ Mark Twain
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"If we suppose them sincere, we must pity their ignorance; if insincere, we must abhor the spirit of deception which it betrays." Alexander Hamilton
"Stop being dangerous, and you become edible." William Aprill
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws.”― Friedrich Nietzsche
Too many think their recreational drug use doesn’t harm anyone, maybe except themselves. When that’s shown to be a lie, in very graphic terms, many will reconsider.
It’ll never be completely eliminated, of course. But every less dollar to the cartels is less power they have.
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Loyalist vs Patriot during the revolutionary period
Abolitionist vs pro slavery during Bleeding Kansas
The numerous guerilla operations during the Civil War
Anti black violence during Reconstruction and the Jim Crowe era
And of course massacres by, and against, native Americans
I’m not saying it’s likely, but if the government (courts and their police agents) turn on the people, it will get ugly. Civil war always is. After all, that is the primary reason we have a 2A. It’s a big doomsday reset button for the people taking back control from a tyrannical regime.
In Mexico, you have the cartels battling the government for control, with neither caring much for the ordinary citizens. It’s sad.
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a poor plan that is well executed will produce better results that a good plan that is poorly executed.
This is America. I have the right to go places. You have the right to stay home. You have the right to be upset about me going places. I have the right to not care.
Regarding the U.S. citizens using less drugs, I'm sorry to say that the trend is for higher drug usage, not lower. With legalization of pot, there is the mistaken perception that pot is OK to do, medically, socially, and personally speaking, so more and more young folks, and older folks, are using it. Heroin is as big as ever, probably bigger than ever. New synthetic drugs like fentanyl and cartfentanyl and some newer types are trending up big time. Deaths are up; addiction is up. Drug use may not only be here forever, it may blossom to epic proportions.
Is it possible to tame the cartel movement? As sad as it is that legal pot usage is on the upswing, legalization of drugs does negate the advantage that criminal minds have in producing and distributing it. As we all know, the cartel issue is not unlike the gangs prevalent under prohibition. Once prohibition was eliminated, criminals became less interested in booze (excepting maybe some tax dodgers). So what would it look like if the U.S. allowed the world to legalize drugs? These cartels would become lawful barons of that industry, with legitimate power, not unlike the Kennedys of the 1930's onward or Roosevelt money, made in the opium trade in Asia in the 1800's as I recall. Britain and the U.S. were involved in opium wars and power derived from that trade back then. The sad truth is, the only solution is to legitimize the trade, which will unfortunately empower these hoodlums that run it. That'd be a very bitter pill to swallow, but the payoff will be that these guys will have enormous incentive to become upstanding citizens in every respect so as to reduce their risk to zero. Why push violence when you are legitimately making millions and billions of dollars? No reason to. Problem solved. Just tax the hell out of them, educate the populace of the downside of usage and hopefully massively attack corruption from these newfound billionaires (maybe confiscate ill-gotten, laundered money to reduce their future influence). There are notable conservatives and libertarians who agree with this approach.
By far the worst outcome is failed states south of the border, as far as the eye can see, and then a bit further than that ... like to all the way to Cape Horn. How are we supposed to cope when the Americas south of the Rio Grande are reduced to the level of Somalia?
10thmtn has a point that the world used to smoke like a demon, and now it has gone out of fashion due to health awareness campaigns. You look stupid smoking now, not cool. It can happen.
As for our troops leaving Syria, they have been allocated to Saudi defense apparently, in light of the Iranian drone attack on Saudi refineries, hence the quote from Trump about being fully in control of MidEast oil recently.
No one is in control of that place, it is a no-mans land, and it is becoming like Beruit. The cartels will use car bombs to control the place, when they ain't actually engaged in a fire fight with the Army.Who is in control in Mexico City? The National Guard can't arrest and hold four guys in a house, yet the cartel can terrorize a whole city and get the National Guard to give up.
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