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    Where there’s a demand, there will be a supply.

    We should arrest users of illegal drugs, give them a shovel, and ship them to Mexico to dig the graves of the Mexicans killed in the cartel wars.

    Maybe, just maybe they’d then get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retired badge 1 View Post
    In Mexico (as well as much of Latin America) corruption is endemic, from the lowest clerk in a government office to the highest elected offices in the country. Nothing happens without money changing hands. This has been the case since the earliest days of Spanish colonial rule and remains the case today.

    The criminal cartels in Mexico (organized crime gangs, make no mistake about that) are constantly fighting each other for primacy within their spheres of influence and to expand their territories. Much of what is done is accomplished with the knowledge and cooperation of local, regional, and national officials on the payroll of the cartels.

    Newspaper reporter or editor decides to take on the gangs? Prosecutor decides to target gangsters? Judge has the audacity to convict and sentence cartel members? Local cop steps up to arrest a gang member? These things happen from time to time, but the overwhelming majority of such incidents result in wholesale slaughter of those officials and all of their family members.

    A gang wants to run a smuggling operation in a particular area, one of the first steps is gathering information on all of the cops, prosecutors, judges, and other officials in that area. Then a few visits are made to those folks, maybe sharing photos of their families and homes, an offer of payments in exchange for looking the other way is made with the clear understanding that the only possible alternative is total destruction of everyone and everything each official holds near and dear.

    A local cop might earn a salary equivalent to $450 per month (US). Cop receives a message that he can have $1000 per month to look the other way, or his wife, children, parents, siblings, and extended family will be butchered in front of him before he is tortured to death personally.

    Mexico has always had unemployment in the 40% range, and the current national minimum wage is about $5 per day (US, or about 100 Mexican pesos per day). Well educated Mexican citizens working in professional and managerial positions frequently earn less than $800 US per month (about 16,000 pesos), and frequently hold second jobs or small business ventures to support their families. Human beings are bought and sold for less than some of us would expect to pay for a month's rent. There is no trust in any government agency or official because everyone understands that corruption is the norm, not the exception.

    About 42% of Mexico's gross national product consists of "remittances", funds sent home by Mexican citizens living and working in the US.

    Any attempt to apply our common experiences or understanding to the realities of life in Mexico is useless and flawed from the start. Being accepted as a runner, or a drug courier, or an informer, or a member of the cartels is a goal to many of those people stuck living in a third world hellhole on the southern border of the United States.

    Rant over for now.
    Yup. I live on the Mexican border with family still living in Mexico and the average USA citizen including President Trump has no idea of the reality of life in Mexico, Trumps offer of help is well intentioned but will lead to nothing. Mexico won’t change unless Mexicans bring about that change and unless they have another revolution I don’t see it happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Where there’s a demand, there will be a supply.

    We should arrest users of illegal drugs, give them a shovel, and ship them to Mexico to dig the graves of the Mexicans killed in the cartel wars.

    Maybe, just maybe they’d then get it.
    Naw these are the same folks who have seen friends and family overdose and they still won’t stop using so seriously doubt they would for a complete stranger that doesn’t even look like them.
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    I do not think Trump is talking use of the military. If he is then he really going to have a very hard time getting a Authorization for Use of Military Force from the Congress to do it. To his credit he is trying to extricate us from endless wars at least in terms of large forces engaging in direct combat. Getting onto fight with Mexican Cartels would bog us down for years, and at the end of th day be ineffective. When we drone the Taliban out of power in Afghanistan we tried to get the people to stop producing poppy plants used to extract opium. Seventeen years later the people are still growing poppy plant for opium extraction.

    If we followed the Columbia model we would have the DEA working with the Columbian Government law enforcement and Special Forces to train the Columbians as well as conduct raids. That has put a real dent in Columbia cocaine production. Our DEA does have agents in Mexico. Those agents provide intelligence and advice. The capture of El Chapo and his son was made on US intelligence gathering. But that ended nothing. Mexico is infested with Cartels that have major firepower and manpower. It has so many corrupt politicians and law enforcement leaders that making progress is like trying to put a dent in a steal sheet with a rubber mallet. It can be done, but it takes a lot of time and energy to make a useless dent.

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    A few live fire exercises with a couple of A-10 squadrons would probably make people feel better.
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    I know that "Vice" is not a gun friendly new outlet, and that can be heard in this video. This Video is from 2012 and talks to the same family that was attacked this week. I thought this was very interesting to watch. The video is at the bottom of the page. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g...cred-in-mexico
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    I know that "Vice" is not a gun friendly news outlet, and that can be heard in this video. This Video is from 2012 and talks to the same family that was attacked this week. I thought this was very interesting to watch. The video is at the bottom of the page. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g...cred-in-mexico

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    Trump is now colluding with Mexico to sway Mexican-Americans to vote for him! He's trying to manipulate the election.... so I hear the Demoncrats saying.........
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    Mexican president doubled down on his rejection of US aid.
    Says they tried a war on the cartels and it did not work.
    His administration will go a different way and it will work.
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    I know nothing of what life is like down there. I had old timers in the Army tell me that I was safer to extend my tour in VN then to get reassigned to a base near the Mexican border. I would think the local American population near the border would be in a war zone themselves should this escalate.
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    Well report was they arrested the suspect at the US Mexico border in a bullet proof SUV with automatic weapons and two hostages bound and gagged yesterday.
    Today the news is out saying he was not the one responsible for the shooting.
    I wonder if they released him LOL

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexica...-investigation

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    Here's an interview from a sheriff along the border.

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/61009599...#sp=show-clips
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    Why would the President of mehico even consider US aid in controlling the cartels! Heck, drug sales and wired $$$ from illegal "migrants" are 2/3 of mehico's GNP. The cartels could be pretty much eliminated overnight if the desire was there. It's simply supply and demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airslot View Post
    A few live fire exercises with a couple of A-10 squadrons would probably make people feel better.
    Nellis could hold "RED Flag South" instead of using our Bombing Ranges, we could utilize the areas SOUTH of our Border....Same effect, same outcome...Live Fire and Great Training
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