This is a discussion on Gov. Signs Law Ending Death Penalty For Killing Cops Unless It's Premeditated within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by KILTED COWBOY Cops are our first line of defense against evil that preys on citizens. Yes, all life is special but cops ...
Cop killers have no fear and I believe are more likely to cause death to civilians more so than other violent criminals who in many cases will coward up in the face of an armed defense.
Are there some jobs that we hold in a higher esteem than others, sure.
Is all life special and sacred, you bet.
A man has got to know his limitations.
In a world of snowflakes, be a torch.
What I said earlier about criminals lacking the ability to consider the long-term consequences of their actions. Is something that I learned in a criminal psychology class but I have no doubt that it's true.
If it is true death penalty for cop killers is going to have almost no effect.
And again I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a death penalty for killing a cop. I'm saying that any premeditated murder of any human being should be a capital offense
In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?
In February of 2018 a CSPD officer named Micah Flick was killed in a shootout while investigating a stolen car.
The governor ordered Flags lowered to half-staff for a week. His body lay in state in the state Capital. His funeral procession from Denver to Colorado Springs was miles long and people lined the interstate and the bridges to honor him.
Thousands of people attended his funeral which was live-streamed and broadcast on the local news. As was his wife's moving eulogy.
In May of 2018 a security guard named Scott Tice was murdered at the Denver Center for the Performing Arts, when he asked homeless vagrant who was out on probation for another charge to leave the facility. The homeless guy cut his throat, stabbed him multiple times and then took the badge off his jacket while he was dying and pinned it to his backpack as a trophy.
His death didn't even make the news.
A year after Micah Flick died the local news stations ran stories reflecting on his death and how his wife was doing a year later.
Scott Tice's family got whatever the workman's comp death benefit is and out of that had to pay for his funeral.
Again, Tice's death didn't even make the news.
The guy that killed Micah flick was killed by CSPD on the spot.
The guy that killed Scott guys got a plea deal. He'll be out in 10 years. By which time I'm sure they will have named a street for Micah Flick.
And morally, while I'd like to be high and mighty and promote delivering righteous vengeance upon the wicked, I am not. To quote JRR Tolkien's immortal trilogy: "Many that live deserve death, but many who die deserve life... can you give it to them"? Also, it's an axiom that death penalty is not an effective deterrent for the psychopaths and sociopaths who commit most crimes. If the only benefits of death penalty are revenge and saving money on prison upkeep, I would say that's not enough of a benefit to justify the moral cost.
Finally, it's about equality. The government should not have any more rights than the citizens. We are allowed to kill in self-defense or defense of others, but not in cold blood for revenge. Yet I can tell you I would be far more lenient on a jury judging an individual who took justice into their own hands, compared to tolerating death penalty imposed by a responsibility-free machine. Maybe if the penalty for any procedural misconduct in a trial would be imposition of the maximum equivalent penalty on every member of the justice system involved... but then I imaging no prosecutor would ever suggest death penalty in the first place.
I think my close to 28 years of military service and combat deployments and action in several countries says otherwise.
Cops are not special. They chose a job and get paid for it. Veterans are not special. They too chose a job and got paid for it. I am grateful for cops and veterans but neither is any more special than a teacher, nurse, plumber, trash collector, receptionist, etc. We all breathe the same air, most have families, and most want to live a long life. Any life needlessly cut short is worthy of the same penalty for murder. Special laws meant to elevate and create special classes of persons by way of penalties for crimes against said persons are wrong and do not belong in a just society.
U.S. Army, Retired (1986 to 2014)
Life Member, Veterans of Foreign Wars
Your comparison of sentences for cop killing vs normal citizen killing supports my main assertion: no special categories of punishment for special categories of persons. Such things go against the very ideal of treating all under the law equally.
I don’t need to support cops or anyone else. Not that I don’t. I simply don’t need to. Society will respect or disrespect depending on an individual earning their respect. A job doesn’t it and of itself demand respect. The actual work in the job one actually does is what deserves respect.
U.S. Army, Retired (1986 to 2014)
Life Member, Veterans of Foreign Wars
As a combat veteran I have some strong feelings about military service and veterans' issues. As a retired cop I have some strong feelings about police service and related legal issues. As a very conservative citizen of the US I have some strong feelings about any creation of special classes of people with respect to rights, privileges, etc.
As a general statement, I must take the position that all laws must be applied equally to all people, with no individual or group granted any special status or protections. I would prefer to see the legal system function more like the game "Monopoly", when you land on Boardwalk with a hotel it costs $2000 no matter who you are, otherwise you are out of the game.
First time offender, minor misdemeanor, probation with conditions. Second offense, similar crime, do the specified jail time for the second crime plus the suspended jail time for the first offense. Third offense, similar crime, triple the specified jail time.
Any crime committed while on probation or parole, go directly to jail (no bail permitted) and complete the original sentence.
First time violent offense (without death or serious bodily injury), one year in a disciplinary regime, i.e.: confinement at labor, any incident of bad conduct or rules violation results in loss of credit for that day. A one year sentence requires 365 days of good behavior, no matter how long it takes the individual to complete that requirement.
First time violent offense (resulting in death or serious injury), ten years in a disciplinary regime (see above).
Second time violent offense, 20 years in a disciplinary regime (see agove).
Any violent offense while incarcerated, mandatory life imprisonment, disciplinary regime with labor if behavior allows, solitary confinement if behavior does not permit association with others.
During WW2 there were POW camps all over the United States. Usually frame barracks buildings, occasionally tent cities, surrounded by barbed wire with guard towers, usually requiring no more than a few dozen armed soldiers to secure. Violent incidents or escape attempts resulted in deadly force. My point here is that penitentiaries need not be places of comfort or recreational opportunity.
Perhaps I have said enough to display my vision of a future with peace and justice.
Cops do it every day and to many of them it is not just a paycheck, not just a job.
I know many people in LE, relatives and friends. To most if not all of them it is more of a "calling".
Why would anyone do the job, get paid peanuts compared to many jobs, get treated like garbage by the very folks you are trying to help.
Cops go into neighborhoods where they are hated and try to protect those folks.
How many of y'all are willing to do that? Not many I will guess. They do not just do it for a paycheck.
I respect everyone's opinion. But I will never change my mind that LEO's and Veterans are special among us.