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    The next time you think about facing an active shooter and your thoughts are to grab your Twinkies and run instead of running to the sound of gunfire you will understand what I am talking about, or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Those who commit the following are now the only ones eligible to catch the death penalty in Oregon:

    (1) acts of terrorism in which two or more people are killed by an organized terrorist group
    (2) premeditated murders of children aged 13 or younger
    (3) prison murders committed by those already incarcerated for aggravated murder
    (4) premediated murders of police or correctional officers

    That said, exactly two people have been executed in Oregon since 1978. Those two people voluntarily waived appeals, essentially volunteering to be executed. Oregon decided to quit executing people awhile ago.
    I'm not sure why folks are losing their minds over the cop thing. Take another look at the list of who is now eligible for the death penalty in Oregon, or more importantly, who is not. The nots include:

    Lone wolf terrorists like Timothy McVeay, who was never shown to be part of an organized terrorist group;

    Serial sex offender/murderers, regardless of how heinous their crimes or the number of victims, unless one happened to be under thirteen years of age and premeditation can be shown;

    Inmates who have not already been incarcerated for aggravated murder;

    Anyone who commits murder, aggrevated or otherwise, on any number of victims, regardless of circumstances which do not fall into one of the four listed catagories.

    I'm not sure why anyone is butthurt over the cop/correction officer issue, since they are only one of four classes of victims for whom the death penalty can be applied now in Oregon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnius View Post
    I said I kind of agree in principle. Eye for an eye and all that. But I disagree with the practicality of it. I simply don't trust the government to deliver the death penalty. There have been >100 people on death row who were subsequently exonerated. A paper in PNAS I recently read extrapolated that 4% of death row inmates are innocent of the crime. I think that's too much. I would not agree for the government to murder 1 innocent person to inflict vengeance upon 25 others.

    And morally, while I'd like to be high and mighty and promote delivering righteous vengeance upon the wicked, I am not. To quote JRR Tolkien's immortal trilogy: "Many that live deserve death, but many who die deserve life... can you give it to them"? Also, it's an axiom that death penalty is not an effective deterrent for the psychopaths and sociopaths who commit most crimes. If the only benefits of death penalty are revenge and saving money on prison upkeep, I would say that's not enough of a benefit to justify the moral cost.

    Finally, it's about equality. The government should not have any more rights than the citizens. We are allowed to kill in self-defense or defense of others, but not in cold blood for revenge. Yet I can tell you I would be far more lenient on a jury judging an individual who took justice into their own hands, compared to tolerating death penalty imposed by a responsibility-free machine. Maybe if the penalty for any procedural misconduct in a trial would be imposition of the maximum equivalent penalty on every member of the justice system involved... but then I imaging no prosecutor would ever suggest death penalty in the first place.
    We can agree to disagree. The only way I would support life in prison for first degree murder is if this was the case..

    The prisoner would live out his days in an 8'x10' concrete cell. He would never see the light of day, nor have any visitors of any kind. No TV, no radio, no books, no magazines, no library visits, no internet use, no phone access, no medical or dental access or treatment, and no use of exercise equipment. He would get three meals a day, the same three meals every day, with no choices or menu selections. There would be a recessed shower dispenser in his cell which would be activated three times a week. In other words, he would live out his mangy life without any human contact of any kind for however long he lives. After all, his victim(s) would have it far worse than he so why should he enjoy the kind of imprisonment we see today with the possibility of parole or pardon? Should a DNA test prove his innocence then he would, of course, be released.

    If someone killed one of my family members, I cannot imagine feeling any form of compassion or sympathy for the killer. I would hope to hell justice, in the form of being put to death, would be visited upon them. Lacking that, what wrote above would be the next best thing.
    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    You guys have this all wrong. NOBODY is asking for special treatment. NOBODY thinks they are SPECIAL.

    Capitol murder as always held for life in prison or the death penalty. Look it up, look at the requirements. Get some facts and ditch the emotional responses. You sound like a bunch of petulant teenagers.

    I will ALWAYS push for the death penalty for murder with aggravating circumstances. Murdering a cop is 1 aggravating circumstance.

    But yes, first responders are special people. Yes, it is a choice, so is burglary.
    According to the article we don’t have it wrong. And no, first responders are not special, at least not in terms of the law.
    We get the government we deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    According to the article we don’t have it wrong. And no, first responders are not special, at least not in terms of the law.
    A man has got to know his limitations.

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    Oh...like Parkland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoDiablo View Post
    Oh...like Parkland?
    Probably more like 9/11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoDiablo View Post
    Oh...like Parkland?
    And columbine

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Probably more like 9/11.
    I must have missed the active shooter event that took place there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    And columbine



    I must have missed the active shooter event that took place there.
    Gunfire, burning buildings, it all pays about the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Gunfire, burning buildings, it all pays about the same.
    I don’t see what that has to do with anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoDiablo View Post
    Oh...like Parkland?
    Wow, one example of a coward?
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    Haters gonna hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    I don’t see what that has to do with anything.
    Unlike this thread, which started out as outrage porn and went all different directions from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Unlike this thread, which started out as outrage porn and went all different directions from there.
    I ate too much popcorn following this thread.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Unlike this thread, which started out as outrage porn and went all different directions from there.
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