Two GA National Guardsmen discharged for religious and political reasons

Two GA National Guardsmen discharged for religious and political reasons

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    Two GA National Guardsmen discharged for religious and political reasons

    Disclaimer: I am not saying these guys were smart, or that I subscribe to their beliefs, but I am still concerned about this.

    Two Georgia National Guardsmen were discharged after an Antifa group complained to the state that they belong to a Norse pagan religion that only accepts "ethnic Europeans," meaning white Europeans, and that on one occasion, they attended a speech by a guy who has been called a white supremacist. That's it. They haven't made any racist statements or had any racial conflicts. I looked at the website for the religion and other than the entrance requirements, they don't seem to have any racial stuff on there. They are recognized as a religion by the government for tax purposes.

    One of the guys also lost his job with a sheriff's department and they will probably get General Discharges, instead of Honorable.

    Here's why this concerns me. All these guys have been accused of is protected by 1A. What is to keep Antifa from demanding people be fired/discharged for belonging to religions that oppose abortion or gay marriage, or going to hear speakers who support those things? What if eventually being found to belong to a gun rights organization and attending a gun rights rally gets you canned? What happened to the old days when the darn ACLU supported Neo-Nazis marching in Skokie, because it was protected by 1A. I think we are on the slippery slope.

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    Gee, that's funny. NBC "crawler" this mourning said they were booted out for being in a "RACIST" organization. Still don't understand why antifa is gone after with more gusto for being a "TERRORIST ORGANIZATION"?
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    Sounds like the beginning of a good lawsuit.
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    So now claims from a domestic terrorist organization have more influence than the United States Constitution.
    Are we in the beginning of the end of the USA ? Or maybe the very early days of a revolution that has not been realized yet.

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    The DoD has had, as policy, "rooting out White Supremacists" for some time. Not sure when the policy went into effect.
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    Two GA National Guardsmen discharged for religious and political reasons

    If they admitted or there is proof of their membership in a supremacist organization, then they violated DoDI 1325.06, November 27, 2009 and can be discharged.

    “8.b. Military personnel must reject active participation in criminal gangs pursuant to section 544 of Public Law 110-181 (Reference (i)) and in other organizations that advocate supremacist, extremist, or criminal gang doctrine, ideology, or causes; including those that attempt to create illegal discrimination based on race, creed, color, sex, religion, ethnicity, or national origin; ,... are incompatible with military service.”
    https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/D...di/132506p.pdf

    The DoD Instruction doesn’t say that they have to have done anything racist. Simply participating in an organization that advocates supremacist ideology or attempted discrimination is sufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS24 View Post
    If they admitted or there is proof of their membership in a supremacist organization, then they violated DoDI 1325.06, November 27, 2009 and can be discharged. Whether you agree or disagree, it is a known policy that military members agree to as part of their service.

    “8.b. Military personnel must reject active participation in criminal gangs pursuant to section 544 of Public Law 110-181 (Reference (i)) and in other organizations that advocate supremacist, extremist, or criminal gang doctrine, ideology, or causes; including those that attempt to create illegal discrimination based on race, creed, color, sex, religion, ethnicity, or national origin; ,... are incompatible with military service.”
    https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/D...di/132506p.pdf
    Can you show where the DOD lists their religion or any activities that they participated in as being white supremacy?
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    There's got to be more than has been publically released. That info is too flimsy for discharge and would be trashed by any ADC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS24 View Post
    If they admitted or there is proof of their membership in a supremacist organization, then they violated DoDI 1325.06, November 27, 2009 and can be discharged.

    “8.b. Military personnel must reject active participation in criminal gangs pursuant to section 544 of Public Law 110-181 (Reference (i)) and in other organizations that advocate supremacist, extremist, or criminal gang doctrine, ideology, or causes; including those that attempt to create illegal discrimination based on race, creed, color, sex, religion, ethnicity, or national origin; ,... are incompatible with military service.”
    https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/D...di/132506p.pdf

    The DoD Instruction doesn’t say that they have to have done anything racist. Simply participating in an organization that advocates supremacist ideology or attempted discrimination is sufficient.
    Even if that organization is a recognized religion? So would that include the Nation of Islam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    Can you show where the DOD lists their religion or any activities that they participated in as being white supremacy?
    As far as I know there is not a list of specific organizations, but there doesn’t have to be a list. If there is proof that the organization discriminates or advocates discrimination base on race, national origin or ethnicity; then membership in it is prohibited and a violation of DoD Instruction.

    I don’t know enough personally about the organization, the ideology of the religion, or his activities to make a determination on if their discharges were justified, but East’s statements in the article are far from exonerating.

    East’s statement that “The whole race thing started with me finding Asatru or Odinism” indicates to me that he was aware of some racial ideology. East also admits to going to a speech that involved him being photographed participating in a rally. His statement does indicate that reason for attendance and expectation differed from what occurred, but that does jot change the fact that he actively participated.

    I’m not saying I agree that they both should have been discharged. However, I can see were a thorough investigation might conclude that they violated DoD Instruction at which point it would be up to the individual chain of command to determine appropriate action.

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    While I cannot condone membership in what looks very much like a white supremacist organization, I also will not condone membership in Elija Muhammad's Nation of Islam, certainly a proven racist organization.
    In neither case can I countenance he use of the sobriquet "religion" to mask the true and openly stated, anti-American cultural aims of any group which excludes one or another skin color or national origin.

    Freedom of religion is no more absolute, and is no less subject to regulation, than is freedom of speech, or, for that matter, the right to keep and bear arms.
    And if you don't believe that speech can be constitutionally regulated, think about the oft-used examples of inciting to riot and of shouting "FIRE!" needlessly in a crowded venue. Both are forbidden outright by federal and state law, and secondarily by many court decisions.

    One might consider religion, speech, and guns all to be tools of one kind or another. The tool itself cannot be constitutionally regulated, but the use of the tool most certainly can be regulated, and, in truth, is regulated.
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    Just about every modern progressive college campus includes a black students' union, a women's rights group, a Latino students' union, an Asian students' group, LGBTQ support group, and (frequently) a socialist students' society. Many offer ritual bathing areas and worship space for Islamic students to attend to their prayer rituals.

    Please notice that I have not criticized any of these groups or their members, just reporting on what is currently going on.

    Now, a white Anglo-saxon all-male heterosexual Christian group is unlikely to find a friendly spot anywhere, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    Even if that organization is a recognized religion? So would that include the Nation of Islam?
    I cannot speak for how all commands across the DoD interpret the Instruction, but based on my limited experience, there was no blanket for Islam or any specific religion. It was more focused on individual smaller sects within the whole based on their activity and any written ideology/doctrine.

    I do know that when complaints surfaced, like what this started as, the command was required to investigate them even if it was just an accusation without any accompanying evidence. I personally was involved in one relating to gang and one racial. The gang resulted in the member being discharged and the other determined he was not an “active” member/participant.

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    They seem to find white supremacists under every rock.
    Seems like you just gotta be white to be labeled as one.
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