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    Police Chief: What happened to America? We started rewarding bad behavior...

    I think this is a pretty good analysis of what is happening in our country today.

    Police Chief: What happened to America? We started rewarding bad behavior, that's what.

    If you have ever taken a psychology class you have probably been exposed to the notion of reward versus punishment. The basis being that you get more of that which you reward and less of that which you punish for.

    Generally speaking it’s an accurate synopsis of how human nature works. When someone does that which society appreciates, something positive follows. When they perpetrate acts that we wish to discourage, some type of negative reaction transpires.

    Yet in cities across the nation leaders are trying to convince the governed that they can rewrite the laws of human nature. These often times elected (but sometimes appointed) decision makers are in a frenzied race to prove that we can fix the ills of society by rewarding them.


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    I agree, if you just ignore a problem it just does not just go away instead it just gets worse.
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    The real question is why did we start rewarding bad behavior in a vain effort to fix things? Is it because the people involved are not educated in the basics of psychology, or is it because they are well versed in it and doing this intentionally? The article stops short of the important question of why leaders have started doing this. The key to the solution lies there.

    I think leaders who reward bad behavior do so for a combination of two reasons: First, they have found they can get and keep themselves in power by "buying votes" with taxpayer money. So they are following that same principle of doing behaviors that reward them. The "chicken in every pot" strategy has been around for a long time and it has been used by both liberals and conservatives. It is just more sophisticated and insidious now.

    Second, there are more and more leaders who subscribe to a one-world, socialist agenda. They want to overthrow our Republic. They will do what they can to create a total breakdown of society, so that socialism will seem like the only answer. This is a known socialist strategy.

    Those are more complicated problems than simply "no longer rewarding bad behavior." Bad behavior is being rewarded for some very powerful reasons.
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    We stack tolerances (so to speak) from generation to generation. Parents can't, or don't want to, teach either what they were never taught or decided to ignore, IE: courtesy, manners, decorum, self-sufficiency, etc.

    I lived a dual life as a child, summers on the grandparents farm in rural Georgia and school most years in a north St. Louis suburb. Drastic difference between the two areas back then! My siblings and I must have driven our grandparents nuts each June after we arrived since they had to 'whip the city out of us' and remind us of our 'manners'. And when I say whip that's what we got, whipped. With the wire handle of a flyswatter on bare legs. It left welts. Luckily that was a last resort reserved for when we did really bad (like my little brother busting me in the head with a brick). My childhood there was in the 60's and 70's.

    I would marvel at the lack of respect kids up in the St. Louis area got away with each fall when I would return to go to school. While I was taught to say sir and mam, please and thank you, to open doors for the elderly and all females; these kids for the most part just didn't do very many of these things. As we grew up I heard these city kids say things like; I won't have the same strict rules my parents forced on me with my kids! Stacked tolerances. Their kids are now raising kids who are likely also raising their own kids and so forth...this is what/why we have become whatever this is called today. Country kids haven't progressed along this path as far as city kids and their spawn have. But the allure of the city for kids is still overwhelming today. All the kids could talk about when I drove a school bus in this small town of about 1500 is how they couldn't wait to move to whatever city to live. Sad! If they only knew how good they already had it!

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    @oldIthink : Well, North City and County was the problem. West County was completely different! LOL
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    Agreed. Then add in the factor of politicians using promises (pardon, commutation, legalization, restoring voting rights, etc) as a means of expanding their constituencies. Everything is society's fault, anyone who has suffered because of society's failings is a victim who is due caring consideration, and probably some compensation as well.
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    What's the Criminal fear today ??? Not very much....he (she) has become the Victim !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCC73 View Post
    What's the Criminal fear today ??? Not very much....he (she) has become the Victim !!
    Little off subject I guess, but I Scanner listen to a couple HOT Districts in Chiraq once & awhile. No more chases or even following stolen cars...heck...guys were following a stolen taken in an Armed car jacking the other night...Supervisor quickly advised "let em go " !!!!
    In my day that was unheard of !!!! Cops are afraid to do what it takes today......
    The cops are not afraid to do what is necessary. The bosses are afraid of potential liability issues with the likelihood of career-ending results, thus orders are issued to protect the agency and supervisors (sometimes more so than protecting the general public).

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    I've never understood this attitude as anything other than a Democrat vote buying strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I think this is a pretty good analysis of what is happening in our country today.

    Police Chief: What happened to America? We started rewarding bad behavior, that's what.

    If you have ever taken a psychology class you have probably been exposed to the notion of reward versus punishment. The basis being that you get more of that which you reward and less of that which you punish for.

    Generally speaking it’s an accurate synopsis of how human nature works. When someone does that which society appreciates, something positive follows. When they perpetrate acts that we wish to discourage, some type of negative reaction transpires.

    Yet in cities across the nation leaders are trying to convince the governed that they can rewrite the laws of human nature. These often times elected (but sometimes appointed) decision makers are in a frenzied race to prove that we can fix the ills of society by rewarding them.


    Read the complete article here:
    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...or-thats-what/
    No Psychology Class, but my Parents especially my Father taught that lesson well. The current punishment vs reward death spiral may well be intertwined with the loss of respect for fatherhood and the destruction of the hetrosexual nuclear family unit. Nature abhors a vacum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    The real question is why did we start rewarding bad behavior in a vain effort to fix things? Is it because the people involved are not educated in the basics of psychology, or is it because they are well versed in it and doing this intentionally? The article stops short of the important question of why leaders have started doing this. The key to the solution lies there.

    I think leaders who reward bad behavior do so for a combination of two reasons: First, they have found they can get and keep themselves in power by "buying votes" with taxpayer money. So they are following that same principle of doing behaviors that reward them. The "chicken in every pot" strategy has been around for a long time and it has been used by both liberals and conservatives. It is just more sophisticated and insidious now.

    Second, there are more and more leaders who subscribe to a one-world, socialist agenda. They want to overthrow our Republic. They will do what they can to create a total breakdown of society, so that socialism will seem like the only answer. This is a known socialist strategy.

    Those are more complicated problems than simply "no longer rewarding bad behavior." Bad behavior is being rewarded for some very powerful reasons.
    I suggest that there are two basic reasons for our society's decision to reward bad behavior:
    • First, it's much easier to reward bad behavior than to actually deal with it in some meaningful way. We see this in many of today's parents: They bribe the kid, paying out for good behavior while not punishing for bad. Therefore, the kid learns that extortion works in his favor.
    • Second, it's an attempt at bribery. (See item #1, above.) "If we pay them enough, then the problem might go away." Note how well that has been working, particularly with the homeless populations in San Francisco, Seattle, and Los Angeles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azretired View Post
    I was lucky in that I served as an LEO (1978 to 2006) when we actually allowed to do our job and enforce the law and use our own discretion. Today all that is gone and its a shame as we have good officers that just aren't allowed to do their job.
    It’s not just that they’re not allowed to do their job, they’re penalized for doing it and punished if they defend themselves.
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