Our government just figured out Pensacola shooting was terrorism

Our government just figured out Pensacola shooting was terrorism

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    Our government just figured out Pensacola shooting was terrorism

    So the government just figured out what we have known from day 1.
    Shooting was terror related.
    Now we are going to expel 21 Saudi nationals from pilot training.
    Too late for the dead sailors.
    Why don't the Saudi's just train their own damn pilots?
    It's not like they use them, every time there is a conflict over there they call in the US Navy and Air Force.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/saudi-nat...us-source-says

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    We have been training the crews for middle eastern countries since the 1970s, generally when they buy new airplanes we train the initial cadre who then return and train the rest of their crews. Could not get OPs link to work so here is another.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/saudi-nat...us-source-says
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    Quote Originally Posted by KILTED COWBOY View Post
    So the government just figured out what we have known from day 1.
    Shooting was terror related.
    Now we are going to expel 21 Saudi nationals from pilot training.
    Too late for the dead sailors.
    Why don't the Saudi's just train their own damn pilots?
    It's not like they use them, every time there is a conflict over there they call in the US Navy and Air Force.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/saudi-nat...us-source-says
    The Army, Navy and Air Force have trained foreign pilots at for decades as part of deals for aircraft sales and other cooperation agreements. In 1978, when I was in flight school at Pensacola, I had an Iranian suite-mate in the BOQ. This was while the Shah was in power and they were our allies. We also had Norwegians there. All of those foreign students got special vetting. When I was in an operational squadron, we had a Saudi prince who was a military pilot come fly with my squadron.

    This latest incident is the first of its kind. I am not justifying the situation, I am just saying people are second-guessing a decades-old policy. And to be fair, we have had US citizens, including an Army major get radicalized and commit terrorism.
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    Training officers of foreign nations has always been a win-win. We built relationships, gain $s, and sell equipment. The foreign nations get much better trained officers than they could do in-house. The problem with the programs (and there are many) is that they seem to be unmonitored at a policy, overview, level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KILTED COWBOY View Post
    So the government just figured out what we have known from day 1.
    Shooting was terror related.
    Now we are going to expel 21 Saudi nationals from pilot training.
    Too late for the dead sailors.
    Why don't the Saudi's just train their own damn pilots?
    It's not like they use them, every time there is a conflict over there they call in the US Navy and Air Force.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/saudi-nat...us-source-says
    I know you're just kidding. Bottom line...they would never be able to afford it. With Saudi instructors teaching Saudi trainees, they'd have a dozen aircraft accidents a week! And the graduating class would be so small you could put 'em all in a shoebox. Besides most of 'em could care less about landing. They just want to know how to take off, disable the transponder, and fly at low levels into fixed objects.

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    Just because something worked great in the past, does not mean it is still working.
    This is a whole new world we are living in and "all" policies need to be reviewed.
    We have not lived under this type of threat of radicalized people in our own country and on our home bases.
    Scrutiny and oversight should be job #1 to protect our warriors and our citizens
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    Quote Originally Posted by KILTED COWBOY View Post
    Just because something worked great in the past, does not mean it is still working.
    This is a whole new world we are living in and "all" policies need to be reviewed.
    We have not lived under this type of threat of radicalized people in our own country and on our home bases.
    Scrutiny and oversight should be job #1 to protect our warriors and our citizens
    I agree, but we are always second-guessing and as my Dad used to say, "closing the barn door after the horse gets out." Why don't we take a common sense approach and try to get out ahead of this stuff? Being reactive and armchair quarterbacking will never solve the problems.
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    In the previous adminstration this would have been simple "workplace violence".
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    The Army, Navy and Air Force have trained foreign pilots at for decades as part of deals for aircraft sales and other cooperation agreements. In 1978, when I was in flight school at Pensacola, I had an Iranian suite-mate in the BOQ. This was while the Shah was in power and they were our allies. We also had Norwegians there. All of those foreign students got special vetting. When I was in an operational squadron, we had a Saudi prince who was a military pilot come fly with my squadron.

    This latest incident is the first of its kind. I am not justifying the situation, I am just saying people are second-guessing a decades-old policy. And to be fair, we have had US citizens, including an Army major get radicalized and commit terrorism.
    I guess that depends on how you view the incident. Plenty of service members have been killed by people we were training. This was only the first time that it happened on US soil. We train a lot of foreign militaries, but we have not yet figured out that they are not all our friends.

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    I agree, but we are always second-guessing and as my Dad used to say, "closing the barn door after the horse gets out." Why don't we take a common sense approach and try to get out ahead of this stuff? Being reactive and armchair quarterbacking will never solve the problems.
    After the second horse got out, my dad would have told me I should have learned my lesson and shut the door when the first one got out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    ...After the second horse got out, my dad would have told me I should have learned my lesson and shut the door when the first one got out.
    Yup.
    And we should've learned the lesson too.
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    What does it matter if it was terrorism or not. It matters not a twit, whether the shooter survived or not. This merely shows the ineptitude of the Federal government and their perceived importance of labeling crimes w/o doing anything that has a positive effect on reducing them.
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    Can a foreign trainee buy a gun legally? Even if not, I am sure they could find a way to get one if they are allowed to roam free.

    But there is more to it than all that. As Havoc said, this has happened before, just not here. From there I can only go into profiling. I wonder what common thread ,would be found if one analyzed all of the incidents in the last 20 years.
    Hmm, I wonder what would be common, religion? No, that couldnít be.
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    If we have to train their pilots in order to sell them fighters.
    Letís just send the trainers over there, they got airports, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Struckat View Post
    Can a foreign trainee buy a gun legally? Even if not, I am sure they could find a way to get one if they are allowed to roam free.

    But there is more to it than all that. As Havoc said, this has happened before, just not here. From there I can only go into profiling. I wonder what common thread ,would be found if one analyzed all of the incidents in the last 20 years.
    Hmm, I wonder what would be common, religion? No, that couldnít be.
    When identified, almost all the shooters have been Democrats. A large chunk were Muslims. Others ranged from ex's to disgruntled employees to just crazy (documented mental illness) to bullies to bully victims (Parkland come to mine, with the two main terrrorists responsible for the most bullying against the shooter).
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