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This is a discussion on Airforce changing dress code. within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by The Fish One simple explanation is that Christianity does not require any outward specific hair or dress appearance and therefore the US ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fish View Post
    One simple explanation is that Christianity does not require any outward specific hair or dress appearance and therefore the US forces have never had a requirement in the past because Christianity has been the majority religion.
    The nation is becoming more and more diverse and a lot of people can't handle that. The solution for those people is easy.......you will die in a few years and then will not have to live in a diverse nation.
    And that notion generates a happy dance from you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fish View Post
    One simple explanation is that Christianity does not require any outward specific hair or dress appearance and therefore the US forces have never had a requirement in the past because Christianity has been the majority religion.
    The nation is becoming more and more diverse and a lot of people can't handle that. The solution for those people is easy.......you will die in a few years and then will not have to live in a diverse nation.
    WTH ? A person has to wonder what exactly is the malfunction in today's America. Diversity. The new religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    "In 2017, the US Army became the first military branch to allow head coverings and beards
    I don't understand that. I only saw it once but I did see that one Doctor as early as 1993. But again, that was AMEDD. When I was at Evan's ACH we had a Doctor who had a prosthetic arm but again, critical, shortage skill and he was still able to pass his PT test. One armed push ups

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    Quote Originally Posted by svgheartland View Post
    And that notion generates a happy dance from you?
    Actually no, more like sad .....I wish all Americans liked diversity. I do not wish for anyone's death...it just comes for all of us.
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    I look at joining the service as having to make sacrifices. You sacrifice time with families, you sacrifice personal choices, and you may have to make the ultimate sacrifice.

    For the life of me, I do not understand why someone would choose to "voluntarily" join the military and not expect to comply with the requirements of the service. I think any God would allow for exceptions in that chosen profession. It was no secret that the service expected clean-shaven faces and consistent uniforms, much of which had BORs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fish View Post
    Actually no, more like sad .....I wish all Americans liked diversity. I do not wish for anyone's death...it just comes for all of us.
    I both like and dislike diversity. I like the great food and charm other cultures can offer. But I dislike that over 2/3 of people from diverse non-western cultures vote for leftists, socialists, big government, and the trampling of individual rights recognized in the BoR. Unconstrained immigration of diversity will lead to the downfall of our Republic.

    Regardless, once anyone is part of my Airmen family I ruthlessly look out for them just like... family. Because they are family, even if they don't vote how I would.
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    I'm all for diversity, after all I am an American. I just don't care to be constantly hyphenating it. It's gotten ridiculous and divisive. The exact opposite of what diversity hopes to accomplish.
    Next up ? Spandex uniforms for all I know.
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    Any tradition that can only be justified by "That's the way we have always done it." needs to reviewed from a performance perspective. If it has a detrimental effect on any aspect of getting the job done it needs to be tossed.
    There are plenty of M.O.S. that do not require the airman to be walking in front of operating engines. It is hypocritical to require talented and dedicated people who are protecting our Freedom of religion to ignore theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fish View Post
    One simple explanation is that Christianity does not require any outward specific hair or dress appearance and therefore the US forces have never had a requirement in the past because Christianity has been the majority religion.
    The nation is becoming more and more diverse and a lot of people can't handle that. The solution for those people is easy.......you will die in a few years and then will not have to live in a diverse nation.
    Christianity is still the majority religion by a long shot in the US. What I think is interesting is that when I went to bootcamp, everyone was considered equally worthless regardless of race, gender, religion, economic class, etc. and everyone learns to work together. Then, we integrate women into combat MOS's/NEC's. Now you can have a male who is discharged for being out of shape, despite the fact that he is physically in better shape, and more capable of the job than the female in the same unit but there are different expecations to do the same job. All after that male service member woke up in the morning, looked in the mirror and said he would be ok without shaving that day, because after all, if he was a different religion he would be able to grow a full beard, therefore, a little stubble wont hurt. All in the name of #equality, which is not actually equal.
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    I like diversity. I think as many here have said, no religion should be exempt due their religion, but as graydude said and it actually contradicts his earlier ruling on the sihkas> "Unconstrained immigration of diversity will lead to the downfall of our Republic." meaning into the military services also I presume. It only makes sense to standardize military branch's. That's what is taught in basic training and beyond.

    Changes in uniform happen periodically to accommodate preparedness for certain geographic areas. However, they generally are required to be like the next person of equal gender. That's the tradition I was talking about.

    Obviously, once deployed to a conflict area, things change. I've never been deployed so I can only surmise the difficulties of getting/staying clean cut. My guess is the standard overall uniform is mostly required however.

    To give special license to one group of people (here) does not promote cohesion. It might in the short term, but the military is not about the short term. I would like to hear about the slow rumblings that will start happening in the future by those that can't wear a beard at least.

    When I was in basic in the late 70's the reason for the grooming code was hygiene. Right out of Vietnam there were many concerns about the skin diseases that the soldiers deployed there where getting being told to us. Things change, now the conflicts are in mostly arid countries. (Nothing new here, just filling in the space) Different uniforms, different diseases. Nearly the same requirements for hair.

    Overall, it's like dealing with school children- give them an inch and they want a mile. That has never changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I look at joining the service as having to make sacrifices. You sacrifice time with families, you sacrifice personal choices, and you may have to make the ultimate sacrifice.

    For the life of me, I do not understand why someone would choose to "voluntarily" join the military and not expect to comply with the requirements of the service. I think any God would allow for exceptions in that chosen profession. It was no secret that the service expected clean-shaven faces and consistent uniforms, much of which had BORs.
    True,,but if there are sacrifices that are not needed to complete the mission.why make people make those sacrifices????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arejay View Post
    I'm all for diversity, after all I am an American. I just don't care to be constantly hyphenating it. It's gotten ridiculous and divisive. The exact opposite of what diversity hopes to accomplish.
    Next up ? Spandex uniforms for all I know.
    So just don't hyphenate..."I am a Catholic and an American....I am a Jew and an American.....I am a Sikh and an American.

    BTW,seeing me in spandex TODAY would do you more damage than a .44Mag bullet!
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    I'd be out of luck if God required me to have a beard. To much Laplander not enough Visigoth maybe. Guess I could glue a fake one on for religious purposes if I had to, sure would hate being singled out.
    I can understand why the military requires a dress code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fish View Post
    True,,but if there are sacrifices that are not needed to complete the mission.why make people make those sacrifices????
    Are we going to allow the individual service members to decide what is or what is not needed to complete the mission? IMO, military rules have some reasoning behind them, if only for conformity and discipline. The military survives because of teamwork, not because every member paddles a different paddle on a different stroke. They end up going in circles. They need to march to the same beat of the same drummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fish View Post
    True,,but if there are sacrifices that are not needed to complete the mission.why make people make those sacrifices????
    If our military actually operated with this mindset I’d have probably stayed in longer. However, readiness is not the priority for many “leaders” in the military. I think this decision is one that mission readiness played a 0% role in deciding it.
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