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    If anyone leaves the military or is no longer an LEO they will always have to take the oath again even though they did it before if they want to rejoin otherwise if the government felt it was still in effect they would simply refer back to the documentation showing they were previously enlisted and not require it to be done again. Each person themselves makes a decision if they want to maintain the principles of the oath they took after they leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m5215 View Post
    If anyone leaves the military or is no longer an LEO they will always have to take the oath again even though they did it before if they want to rejoin otherwise if the government felt it was still in effect they would simply refer back to the documentation showing they were previously enlisted and not require it to be done again. Each person themselves makes a decision if they want to maintain the principles of the oath they took after they leave.
    I agree. That is why I said the oath is to yourself and before God. Taking the oath is not just that truth, it is also a legal requirement if you wear a badge. I had to be sworn in for that reason and because I represented the city in an official capacity.
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    An oath any oath is only as binding as the person who took it wants it to be. I appreciate the sentiment but if your having to be reminded then you probably never really took it that seriously.
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    Question for the members of this forum: Is a pledge the same as an oath?

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Man View Post
    Question for the members of this forum: Is a pledge the same as an oath?

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
    Just a quick opinion here... a pledge is a solemn promise made to other people, while swearing an oath generally incorporates "so help me God", implying it's more than merely a promise to other human beings, but also invokes some degree of promise made to God while also asking God's help in keeping it.
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    What we've learned from this crisis is that many uniformed law enforcement officers will obey and enforce the "orders" of those political authorities who declare themselves to be in charge. These tin horn dictators, both elected and non elected, now possess the power to unilaterally issue enforceable "laws" which officers will use against "the people." The oath, in many cases, is apparently just a meaningless formality to get the badge. As one who swore the oath to protect and defend the constitution and meant it, I'm very disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrclen View Post
    What we've learned from this crisis is that many uniformed law enforcement officers will obey and enforce the "orders" of those political authorities who declare themselves to be in charge. These tin horn dictators, both elected and non elected, now possess the power to unilaterally issue enforceable "laws" which officers will use against "the people." The oath, in many cases, is apparently just a meaningless formality to get the badge. As one who swore the oath to protect and defend the constitution and meant it, I'm very disappointed.
    It is why the government calls the oath keepers a white supremacist group even though there are black and latin and a few native americans I know of , people who gave their word to protect to the best of their ability "the people" not the government and the entrenched self important sobs are affraid
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    Anybody that has ever watched any of the videos posted here by Howard will just automatically know that he is an honest individual with the highest degree of personal integrity. It was quite obvious to me while watching his very first video.
    I have liked the man ever since.
    He always just gave his honest, personal opinion without ever attempting to ram it down any viewer's throat.
    Some here were free to disagree with an opinion or with a technical aspect of his video but, could never fault him personally.
    He is just a genuine gentleman.
    I remember way back when he sent me a private message asking if he should continue posting his videos here.
    In so many words I told him..."don't ever stop."


    It's a shame that so many people on this forum that make such an incredible impression on me....I'll probably never get to meet face to face.

    At a "social distance" of course.
    He is one of those folks. As are many of you.
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    They only get their power because of those who enforce it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    Anybody that has ever watched any of the videos posted here by Howard will just automatically know that he is an honest individual with the highest degree of personal integrity. It was quite obvious to me while watching his very first video.
    I have liked the man ever since.
    He always just gave his honest, personal opinion without ever attempting to ram it down any viewer's throat.
    Some here were free to disagree with an opinion or with a technical aspect of his video but, could never fault him personally.
    He is just a genuine gentleman.
    I remember way back when he sent me a private message asking if he should continue posting his videos here.
    In so many words I told him..."don't ever stop."


    It's a shame that so many people on this forum that make such an incredible impression on me....I'll probably never get to meet face to face.

    At a "social distance" of course.
    He is one of those folks. As are many of you.
    You're not alone. I've never met him or interacted, but based on what I've seen and read from him I hold the same positive opinion.

    As for sharing the videos, let me echo: @hrfunk , please don't stop.
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    I think the video from the OP was very good. And I have friends and relatives in LE who feel that same way. It would be great if all officers felt that way. But they don't. I also understand the ramifications of refusing to follow orders and the pressure to "go along to get along." In a better world, officers would not be placed into that situation by those in power.
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    Worth watching and giving some thought to..., some officers believe the Constitution trumps the Governor, but it got this officer terminated.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-...hing-good-ones
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    Quote Originally Posted by graydude View Post
    Just a quick opinion here... a pledge is a solemn promise made to other people, while swearing an oath generally incorporates "so help me God", implying it's more than merely a promise to other human beings, but also invokes some degree of promise made to God while also asking God's help in keeping it.
    @Old Man There you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrclen View Post
    I think the video from the OP was very good. And I have friends and relatives in LE who feel that same way. It would be great if all officers felt that way. But they don't. I also understand the ramifications of refusing to follow orders and the pressure to "go along to get along." In a better world, officers would not be placed into that situation by those in power.
    Your thoughts are exactly why almost every department with more than 10 officers has an Internals Affairs Bureau. There is a fine line between law enforcement and law breaking. Sad, but no less true.

    One would think officers could distinguish the difference between serve and protect, and "go massacre men, women, and children because I say so."

    But as a friend often said, "We have a race problem. Our officers come from the human race."
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    Quote Originally Posted by m5215 View Post
    If anyone leaves the military or is no longer an LEO they will always have to take the oath again even though they did it before if they want to rejoin otherwise if the government felt it was still in effect they would simply refer back to the documentation showing they were previously enlisted and not require it to be done again. Each person themselves makes a decision if they want to maintain the principles of the oath they took after they leave.
    If you are discharged you are correct. Iím a retired commissioned officer, I was not discharged. If I was recalled to active duty I would put my uniform back on and report for duty, no oath required.
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