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Hopefully justice will be blind but fair.
The name of this sub forum is the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. This certainly falls under ugly.
I'm not a cop; don't know what the proper procedure should have been when it comes to doing a welfare check at 2:30am in the morning in a home. All I know is this poor lady could have been any one of us. Any one of us who have weapons in our home for self-defense, hear noises that should not be there, and seek to investigate.
She obviously had a gun because there were flashlights creeping around her house.
This scenario reinforces for me the importance of calling 911 immediately. I had a 911 situation at home a few years ago and the operator asks me what i was wearing, where I was and further instructed me to put my weapons down because police were arriving. I would assume a 911 operator in her situation would be able to know that police were on scene? I am just assuming - anyone know?
I'm not trying to 2nd guess the poor lady, all I am saying is this could have been any of us.
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Just saw the video, and it's hard to not jump to a bad conclusion.
If this was a welfare check, why not just knock on the door first? Why whisper and sneak through a shut fence gate? It looked like the main doors were open, but the storm/screen doors were closed, possibly locked too. There was no time allowed for the victim to comply. I can't tell from the video what the cop might have seen.
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Never let anything mechanical know that you're in a hurry.
- LEGALLY the LEO in this can can argue that he reasonably feared for his life
- he is LEO, the rules are different
- if a leo reasonably feels the need to use force, then the law allows it
- I get what you are saying, im simply saying there will be no charges.. not even manslaughter
- this is not the guyger case where she was off duty
- he responded to a call.. door open... no answer to his calls... sees sillouette with gun... under TX law for a LEO that falls under reasonable
- he will definetly be fired because of course he is an 18 month n00b rookie
- but there will be no charges
- or they will do the whole political first degree murder charge knowing that they overcharged him to guarantee a future aquittal
- same thing as here almost
- he survived miraculously thank goodness
- My old cop pal would be 70 if he was alive today, he was a cop from age 18 to 50...
- I asked him in the early 2000's what he thought of cops at that time, and he'd always tell me bluntly "they're scared.... they're scared...."
- I didn't understand it then, but now I do
- bring back those tight, professional standards of the past and you'll see result
Why don't we wait for the facts to be made public instead of making them up?The department said the officer perceived a threat before firing but hasn’t said what that threat was. A firearm was found inside a bedroom in the house, but authorities haven’t said whether Jefferson had been holding it when she was killed
- my point was it doesnt matter if the cop saw her with a gun or not
- door open, no response, 'let me see your hands!', and thinks the silouette is pointing a weapon at him
- not saying he was correct... obviously not
- but under TX law all he needs to do is articulate how under those circumstances he reasonably feared that a burglar was inside and about to shoot him or pull a weapon and shoot him
- gets a call for door open (supicious circumstances), comes to call sees door is indeed open, nobody answers his calls, someone inside looks like they are going for a weapon...
- that's all reasonable for a LEO under these circumstances
- IF the front door wasn't opened/ajar it woul be unreasonable to just shoot at sillouetess through windows... but I think the tragedy here will be legally justified