Walmart "Terrorist" sentenced after pleading to a lesser charge

Walmart "Terrorist" sentenced after pleading to a lesser charge

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    Walmart "Terrorist" sentenced after pleading to a lesser charge

    The guy who walked into a Walmart Neighborhood Market plead guilty to a lesser charge, one that the MANAGER of the Market actually committed. Two years of probation for NOT committing a crime. I'm extremely surprised, especially given his attorney's reputation for turning the tables on child sexual abuse victims. Also, it seems the previous report of an off-duty firefighter physically assaulting the man was incorrect. Instead, the firefighter held the man at gunpoint for no reason other than ignorance and fear, not for any threatening acts or words.

    https://www.ktts.com/2019/11/01/man-...lesser-charge/

    The man "knowingly causing a false report to be made to the Springfield Police Department on August 8, 2019." so, how did he cause a false report to be filed? Just HOW did he knowingly cause the manager to lie, claiming an active shooting in progress? How did he knowingly cause the manager to illegally pull the fire alarm? How did he knowingly cause that firefighter to illegally hold him at gunpoint?
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    So, this guy is being punished for EXTREME stupidity and total neglect of the warning he received that doing this was a BAD idea.

    Seems OK to me.
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    Well, it's over the top, stupid and could have caused a stampede where children and old folks could have been seriously hurt. It's dumb stuff like this that causes laws to get passed.
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    Sounds like they were desperate to charge him with “something”.
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    Yeah, well...

    "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

    That little fiasco sure qualifies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post
    Yeah, well...

    "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

    That little fiasco sure qualifies.
    If any one of us were swatted all because we are a gun owner the liberals would chant the same thing, even if we, like this guy didn’t break a law.
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    This guy is not right in the head.
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    "Instead, the firefighter held the man at gunpoint for no reason other than ignorance and fear, not for any threatening acts or words."

    If you don't see how his acts were threatening, I'm not sure how to explain it to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSafety View Post
    The guy who walked into a Walmart Neighborhood Market plead guilty to a lesser charge, one that the MANAGER of the Market actually committed. Two years of probation for NOT committing a crime. I'm extremely surprised, especially given his attorney's reputation for turning the tables on child sexual abuse victims. Also, it seems the previous report of an off-duty firefighter physically assaulting the man was incorrect. Instead, the firefighter held the man at gunpoint for no reason other than ignorance and fear, not for any threatening acts or words.

    https://www.ktts.com/2019/11/01/man-...lesser-charge/

    The man "knowingly causing a false report to be made to the Springfield Police Department on August 8, 2019." so, how did he cause a false report to be filed? Just HOW did he knowingly cause the manager to lie, claiming an active shooting in progress? How did he knowingly cause the manager to illegally pull the fire alarm? How did he knowingly cause that firefighter to illegally hold him at gunpoint?
    I say this with a great deal of sorrow, but there are many places today where the term "justice for all" has little to no meaning.

    People commit a felony assault on a LEO and the judge lets them walk. Someone gets 15 years for less than an ounce of MJ. Another gets probation for almost killing their spouse and children in a violent assault. Still another commits 2nd degree murder and gets 2 years with time off for good behavior. "High profile" people seem to be able to commit any crime, up to and including premeditated murder, with nary a wink from the "justice system."

    Most of us know all about the almost unbelievable levels of incompetence, stupidity, and bias in virtually every media source, and yet we continually practice being judge, jury, and executioner in every case we see based on nothing more than a news report from someone with either an agenda or a 3rd grade education. That is, until something which regularly draws sneering comments actually happens to us. Then we beg for mercy and a fair trial.

    No rhyme...no reason.

    All signs that we owe ancient Rome a huge apology.
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    Stupid really did hurt.

    This is again a great example of a travesty within our system of justice.
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    Let us remember the guy called that Wal Mart and asked if he could open carry there. The manager said yes. Hence the guy actually had Wal Mart's permission to open carry there. And since openly carrying a long gun is legal he not only did not break any laws but had permission.

    Yet the guy who carried the gun is arrested, convicted, and vilified by the gun community while the manager who gave his permission is given a pass and the firefighter who held the guy at gunpoint for breaking no laws is hailed as a hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    Let us remember the guy called that Wal Mart and asked if he could open carry there. The manager said yes. Hence the guy actually had Wal Mart's permission to open carry there. And since openly carrying a long gun is legal he not only did not break any laws but had permission.

    Yet the guy who carried the gun is arrested, convicted, and vilified by the gun community while the manager who gave his permission is given a pass and the firefighter who held the guy at gunpoint for breaking no laws is hailed as a hero.
    He is vilified because he sought confrontation and got it, and in doing so possibly undid years of efforts by the pro-gun community. There is plenty of blame to toss around on this incident, but your "victim" intentionally brought this onto himself. If he feels he has been unjustly prosecuted, there are avenues of relief he can seek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    Let us remember the guy called that Wal Mart and asked if he could open carry there. The manager said yes. Hence the guy actually had Wal Mart's permission to open carry there. And since openly carrying a long gun is legal he not only did not break any laws but had permission.

    Yet the guy who carried the gun is arrested, convicted, and vilified by the gun community while the manager who gave his permission is given a pass and the firefighter who held the guy at gunpoint for breaking no laws is hailed as a hero.
    He is vilified because he sought confrontation and got it, and in doing so possibly undid years of efforts by the pro-gun community. There is plenty of blame to toss around on this incident, but your "victim" intentionally brought this onto himself. If he feels he has been unjustly prosecuted, there are avenues of relief he can seek.
    I rest my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSafety View Post
    The man "knowingly causing a false report to be made to the Springfield Police Department on August 8, 2019." so, how did he cause a false report to be filed? Just HOW did he knowingly cause the manager to lie, claiming an active shooting in progress? How did he knowingly cause the manager to illegally pull the fire alarm? How did he knowingly cause that firefighter to illegally hold him at gunpoint?
    Short answer: By his actions of wearing multiple, visible weapons that are known to be use in public, mass shootings while walking into a brand of store recently subjected to such shootings; thus making it appear to reasonable people that he is about to commit mayhem to others.

    The guy has a screw loose, makes sane gun owners look like kooks, and does not have the maturity and/or reason to own weapons.
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    I am not saying this guy was smart. But he was in compliance with MO law and Walmart policy. He even called Walmart and talked to a manager before he came and asked if he could open carry in the store and was told yes. Being dumb and violating a law are two different things. A couple of weeks later, two guys open carried into another Walmart in MO, the police were called and the police told Walmart they were in compliance and there was nothing they could be charged with. So what people are saying on this thread is it's OK that there can some arbitrary, made-up on the spot, cut-off for what you can OC, a cut-off that is not in the law, but is purely subjective. FWIW, when we have VCDL Lobby Day there are about 50 people open carrying ARs at the State Capital and in the Legislative Office Building! Last Lobby Day, it made some snowflake break down in tears, but the police just watched because no law had been violated.

    So people on this site are agreeing that being "triggered" by legal OC is purely subjective and if someone is triggered the person OC'ing should be criminally liable. People should be careful what they wish for. Because once you start painting outside the lines of the law, whether it's about something you agree with or not, you are on a slippery slope. In this incident, it was an AR. And what are we saying? "Who needs an AR in Walmart?" Maybe the next time, it will just be a big handgun. Maybe later it will be any OC. Who cares if OC is legal? If it seems stupid and snowflake-triggering, we support criminal sanctions? I can't believe what I'm reading.

    Then you have other people here who support Red Flag laws. I am not sure this is pro-gun site anymore.
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