VA and red flags

VA and red flags

This is a discussion on VA and red flags within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/0...laws-bad-idea/ I'm glad that I don't use VA facilities. These red flag laws could be extended to disagreements at your local state/county tax assessment issues ...

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    VA and red flags

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    I'm glad that I don't use VA facilities. These red flag laws could be extended to disagreements at your local state/county tax assessment issues or issues at other federal facilities. Better behave yourselves!
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    Red flag laws are the tactic of the Nazi and Communists to get kids to rat out their parents, or neighbors to rat out neighbors. No wonder these commies (the democrats) like this. It is also a backdoor way to subvert the 1st Amendment, another result that the commies in Washington will like. If you don't like what someone is saying, call them out as a threat, (with, at present, no penalty for false accusations). This handles both the 1st and 2nd Amendments. See, we are already 20% of the way through disabling that pesky Bill of Rights.
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    Ah, it directly subverts the fundamental innocent until proven guilty precept underlying our entire justice system. Not to mention that it directly conflicts with the 4th & 5th Amendments. They are fundamentally unconstitutional.
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    I am one of of those fortunate Vets who has never had to rely on the VA, and I have never taken a Veteran's benefit. I would rather the money be there for those in need. So I have only read about the mistreatment of Vets by the VA. I know it is real, and I have seen how the VA defends itself against all criticism fro any source including the Vets it is supposed to be helping. The VA is supposed to help Vets, but it often just makes them feel ignored and abandoned, and that can have and has had serious consequences. The VA responds by further rejection of those who it is supposed to help. I think the VA suffers from an institutional cancer that that has been killing it for decades. When you condemn the people you are supposed to treat how else can you define the sickness? Every president and congress has sworn to make it better. After they get elected they hve a memory lapse.
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    The next logical step will be a "scientific consensus" of mental health professionals that any person who has any affinity for firearms, or feels the need to be armed in self-defense, or engages in any shooting sport has exhibited aberrant anti-social behavior indicative of mental disorder, thus should be disarmed and required to undergo mental health evaluation and treatment.

    If you don't think it can happen you have not read about the last couple of decades in the Soviet Union, when anyone who questioned or criticized the government or Party officials was deemed to be mentally ill (who can possibly question living in the Socialist workers' paradise?), and the psychiatric facilities were filled with all who disagreed. Pump them full of psychotropic drugs then parade the drooling idiots in front of television cameras so the people can see how their government is protecting them from dangerous and irrational individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PPS1980 View Post
    Ah, it directly subverts the fundamental innocent until proven guilty precept underlying our entire justice system. Not to mention that it directly conflicts with the 4th & 5th Amendments. They are fundamentally unconstitutional.
    And this brings us 40% of the way through the BOR. Making it really easy for those who wish to destroy our Constitution. People really don't understand that the 2nd Amendment is the ONLY thing protecting the rest of the BOR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retired badge 1 View Post
    The next logical step will be a "scientific consensus" of mental health professionals that any person who has any affinity for firearms, or feels the need to be armed in self-defense, or engages in any shooting sport has exhibited aberrant anti-social behavior indicative of mental disorder, thus should be disarmed and required to undergo mental health evaluation and treatment.

    If you don't think it can happen you have not read about the last couple of decades in the Soviet Union, when anyone who questioned or criticized the government or Party officials was deemed to be mentally ill (who can possibly question living in the Socialist workers' paradise?), and the psychiatric facilities were filled with all who disagreed. Pump them full of psychotropic drugs then parade the drooling idiots in front of television cameras so the people can see how their government is protecting them from dangerous and irrational individuals.

    The textbook has already been written and some of our "leaders" have studied it thoroughly.
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    Just imagine how hard it would be to try and clear your name if someone falsely accuses you out of spite. Reminds me of false rape allegations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damien83 View Post
    Just imagine how hard it would be to try and clear your name if someone falsely accuses you out of spite. Reminds me of false rape allegations.
    That's precisely the problem with Red Flag laws that I have read - they turn the entire justice system on its head. You have to PROVE you are innocent, they (the government) no longer has to prove you are guilty. Completely and utterly guts the entire set of protections citizens are suppose to have against authoritarian government running rough shod over citizens.
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