Bulletproof doors in schools

Bulletproof doors in schools

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    Bulletproof doors in schools

    The doors are each 150 pounds and made of galvanized steel, with metal bars for reinforcement and a bullet-resistant window. The doors lock easily from the inside, but weapons cannot be used to penetrate them from the outside, according to the company.




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    I think I could make a bullet-proof door that weighed less than 150 pounds. Sounds like overkill. Cheaper too. Might be some fire safety issues with it.
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    Well, that should keep the shooters safely inside.
    What a waste of money...IMHO
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    I don't know about this product, but I have always thought better physical security should be a part of defending high-risk institutions from active shooters. My wife has a friend, who is not rich, by any means, but she still budgets to put her son in a private school. There were many attractions to this school, but one of them is that to get in the building after classes start requires a person to swipe a card at the heavy front door. Staff, students and parents are issued ID cards. When they swipe, their information and ID picture come up on a screen in the office, along with a live picture of them from the door camera. If the ID and face don't match, they don't get in.
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    Playing the devil's advocate for a moment.

    Suppose you do manage to lock the shooter out in the hall with kids safely behind the locked door. Suppose said shooter has a rifle and decides to unload a mag through the WALL?
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    Iíve seen this, and other methods of locking doors, all of which are pointless. They wonít keep the bad guys out. In fact, it will be the students and teachers who will open the doors up for the bad guys.

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    Playing the devil's advocate for a moment.

    Suppose you do manage to lock the shooter out in the hall with kids safely behind the locked door. Suppose said shooter has a rifle and decides to unload a mag through the WALL?
    Or window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    Playing the devil's advocate for a moment.

    Suppose you do manage to lock the shooter out in the hall with kids safely behind the locked door. Suppose said shooter has a rifle and decides to unload a mag through the WALL?
    This was discussed in the Active Shooter seminar I took. The shooter might well shoot through the wall. He might get some people that way. But he will get far fewer than if he had something to aim at. Also shooters get off on seeing their victims hit. This robs him of that. Finally, in that seminar we were taught that there are places in the room a shooter is less likely to shoot through the wall. Students and staff should be trained on that. It's not perfect, but it could still be part of the solution. There is not going to be one quick-fix for this.
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    All newly built hospitals have to have bulletproof doors in the ICU. I don't know if it is state or fed law. We are a hospital that just so happens to have said doors. They don't weigh 150 lbs. They are impressive, and look like wood. We had a person kick in the previous doors in a fit of rage and threaten everyone. I also know that the hospital is looking to replace all Fire doors with bulletproof. So if there ever is another "Situation" they can lockdown the hospital. So why can't schools do the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimGunn View Post
    . So why can't schools do the same thing?

    $$$$$$ It would blow budgets out the window to do something like this!!

    Everyone wants security, but nobody wants to pay higher taxes to do it. Football team is more important and gets more money when needed, but not security for all the students.


    My DIL is a school teacher and told me that one of the outside doors near her classroom has a card reader on it , but has been not working (doesn't lock) for over a year, even with her reporting it several times.
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    How about we work on teaching the next generation the value of a humans life.
    How about we go back and teach morals, civics, the Golden Rule or can I dare say The Ten Commandments.
    If you bring God back into school you may not need bullet proof doors
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimGunn View Post
    All newly built hospitals have to have bulletproof doors in the ICU. I don't know if it is state or fed law. We are a hospital that just so happens to have said doors. They don't weigh 150 lbs. They are impressive, and look like wood. We had a person kick in the previous doors in a fit of rage and threaten everyone. I also know that the hospital is looking to replace all Fire doors with bulletproof. So if there ever is another "Situation" they can lockdown the hospital. So why can't schools do the same thing?
    Can you cite a source for that requirement for ICUís? My wife works in an ICU and has never heard of this. Perhaps itís a California law? As far as the weight of the doors, armor is heavy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    I don't know about this product, but I have always thought better physical security should be a part of defending high-risk institutions from active shooters. My wife has a friend, who is not rich, by any means, but she still budgets to put her son in a private school. There were many attractions to this school, but one of them is that to get in the building after classes start requires a person to swipe a card at the heavy front door. Staff, students and parents are issued ID cards. When they swipe, their information and ID picture come up on a screen in the office, along with a live picture of them from the door camera. If the ID and face don't match, they don't get in.
    Wouldn't a Ring doorbell have been cheaper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    Playing the devil's advocate for a moment ... said shooter has a rifle and decides to unload a mag through the WALL?
    First thing I thought of, then I figured it would be easier to set fire to the place.
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    My son was in a hospital in Florida for a spot on his lung and they had guards with metal detectors in the hall as you entered. When you took a wrong turn, right away, somebody would notice that you were out of place and they would ask you where your trying to go and they would direct you how to get there. Most of the time they would walk with you part of the way. At first I thought that they were really being helpful but then I realized that nobody could wander around without being noticed and that made it high security. If they just had armed guards at these schools at times when the main doors were open for students then that would be a big deterrent. I haven't heard yet of a shooter that had to break a door down to get into the school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skolnick View Post
    First thing I thought of, then I figured it would be easier to set fire to the place.
    Setting a fire to kill people would take all of the fun out of going to school to shoot a bunch of people. But you are right that if somebody wants to kill people they will find a way.

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