Texas Shooting, At Least 21 Shot, 5 Dead

Texas Shooting, At Least 21 Shot, 5 Dead

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    Texas Shooting, At Least 21 Shot, 5 Dead

    There has been a shooting today in Texas in the area from Midland to Odessa and so far at least 21 people have been shot and 5 people have been killed. The shooter has been shot and killed by police but there might be multiple shooters. The investigation and information is ongoing as I post this.
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    1 shooter, started as a traffic stop on I20 in Midland. Perp hijacked mail truck, killing driver.
    Fled west to Odessa, lots of videos out on FB. He was firing from vehicle at random cars as he drove.

    Family in Odessa are all ok.
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    CARRY YOUR GUNS, FOLKS. You don't get to choose when the SHTF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
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    They still haven't mentioned what weapon(s) the shooter used.

    Its best to get a CCW and carry a handgun, and to get good proper training too. With good training you can take down a rifleman with just a handgun.

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    No matter if it was an escaped felon child molester, if it was any kind of AR platform you know the left is about to go completely nuts when the feds come back from their break. We are going to have to keep a medium to large sized fire lit under our legislators to fight the coming demands for gun bans and mandatory "buy backs" which is new speak for confiscation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonGuy View Post
    They still haven't mentioned what weapon(s) the shooter used.

    Its best to get a CCW and carry a handgun, and to get good proper training too. With good training you can take down a rifleman with just a handgun.
    He was at least using a rifle.

    You don't need good training to take down a rifleman. Vic Stacy didn't have good training and he used a pistol to take down a murderer with a rifle who was actively trying to kill a cop who was pinned by the murderer's fire.

    Good training helps, but whether a person had a rifle or a pistol really isn't the issue. Landing shots on target is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofwyr View Post
    We are going to have to keep a medium to large sized fire lit under our legislators to fight the coming demands for gun bans and mandatory "buy backs" which is new speak for confiscation.
    Not confiscation, theft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    He was at least using a rifle.

    You don't need good training to take down a rifleman. Vic Stacy didn't have good training and he used a pistol to take down a murderer with a rifle who was actively trying to kill a cop who was pinned by the murderer's fire.

    Good training helps, but whether a person had a rifle or a pistol really isn't the issue. Landing shots on target is.
    I would agree with you the landing shots on the target is the primary issue, from the many firearm classes I've taken and the many many hours I've spent on the range being taught how to shoot in a tactical situation, which is very different from shooting as a sport or for fun, the point was made over and over again that shot placement is what really matters. More important than how powerful a round you're using its shot placement that will stop the bad guy. A shot to the ocular cavity with a 9mm or even a .22 will stop just about anybody. Likewise hitting somebody in the arm or the leg will be much less effective, even with a .44 Magnum.

    A rifle does have the advantages of much better accuracy and also much greater power. It will be easier to land shots on target with a rifle than with a handgun because of how much more accurate the rifle is. The rifle also has a great advantage in terms of distance, you can be much further away from your target and hit it with a rifle than you can with a handgun. A handgun will not do you much good against a rifleman if you're too far away for your weapon to hit him but he can hit you.

    I will have to disagree about good training not being necessary, unless you want to rely on luck. A very sad fact about most gun owners is that most of them not only don't have good training but they don't know that they don't have good training, they think that just having a gun and a minimal amount of skill is adequate. This is even common among people who use and carry guns as part of their job, such as soldiers and police officers. Lots of gun owners not only lack good skill but don't know that they lack good skill, I know, that used to be me. You're not going to land shots on target without good skill, or without being very lucky, as Im sure Vic Stacy was.
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    You can disagree about training not being necessary and that is fine. Skill does not come from training alone.

    Most of the rifle shooters are engaging people at pistol capable distances. There are notable exceptions such as the US Tower shooter and Las Vegas, but then again, pistols didn't stop those shooters until people moved in to pistol distances.

    It wasn't luck that Vic Stacy landed multiple shots in his fight.

    So if you are dealing with pistol distances, then the platform used by the bad guy isn't the big issue. You aren't defeating the platform, you are defeating the person.

    Don't get me wrong. I have had 20 odd classes over the years as well. I am more than familiar with the training regime. Training is great and I do think people should get it, but also recognize that it is far from being the sole deciding factor in countless shootings.
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    Fellows, take into consideration that a successful takedown of a rifle armed shooter is going to more or less successful depending upon who the rifleman is shooting at. If he is shooting at you, I can assure you that it will affect your accuracy unless you have developed the discipline necessary in a firefight. There is only thing worse than getting shot at. That is getting shot. Everyone knows that in their subconscious. It affects performance. So it one thing to take down a shooter that has his attention focused on someone other than you and another thing to do it when it is you being shot at. If you have had the experience of hearing the cracking sound of bullets flying past you, then you know what I mean.
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    Sorry to see this happen. If we are not vigilant there will be many, many victims besides those shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macantic View Post
    Like i always say...Don't leave home without it.
    Didn't have much of a choice last night. Hospital, with police in the lobby, is an active shooter zone (some called it a criminal something, perfect name, but forgot it) and not too keen on leaving it in the car in that parking lot. Will not carry on the bike while going to court either. Otherwise, yup, always on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    He was at least using a rifle.

    You don't need good training to take down a rifleman. Vic Stacy didn't have good training and he used a pistol to take down a murderer with a rifle who was actively trying to kill a cop who was pinned by the murderer's fire.

    Good training helps, but whether a person had a rifle or a pistol really isn't the issue. Landing shots on target is.
    How do you know what he was using? I've yet to see anything in print or on local news on what he used. No name released as of writing this that I've seen either, just 30ish white male.

    Too many unknowns right now.
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