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    No, not legally. It would be illegal to install a socialist or communist form of government in this country, or any other form not of the kind we have historically had. It wouldn't matter if 90% of the people voted for it, it would be against the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoyVA View Post
    No, not legally. It would be illegal to install a socialist or communist form of government in this country, or any other form not of the kind we have historically had. It wouldn't matter if 90% of the people voted for it, it would be against the law.
    Technically true, but look at all the other things that are already in place that are technically illegal: NFA, GCA, Brady, etc. And if you expand your view of socialism to include government control of the means of production as well as ownership, it would not be all that illegal. You would still own your property, but the government would be directing what you do with it.
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    I think that, yes, we could go socialist. If we do, it wonít be overnight, but gradually. How do we stop it? Vote, run for office, be politically active, and be jealous a$$&%ߣ$ about our Constitution. And be prepared for the ridicule and hatred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    i argue that the us is pretty close already, depending on how you define "socialism" and there is some disagreement on that. Consider this: Bernie sanders, an avowed socialist, publicly decried elizabeth warren as "being a capitalist" in a tv interview. Can you imagine any major candidate, any candidate that had any chance, even 20 years ago admitting they were a socialist, much less criticizing other candidates for not being socialists?"

    the orthodox definition of socialism is it is a system in which the state owns the means of production. I think a more modern definition is it is a system in which the state owns or controls the means of production. In our country today, the government exercises all kinds of controls over supposedly capitalist, "free" enterprise and seems to be open to expanding that control at its whim. This goes from major controls controls on big corporations, down to trying to control whether a baker has to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

    I think despite what sanders says, we will definitely cross the line with what warren is proposing. She wants to force all big corporations with unions to have 40% of their bods be union representation. And she wants to repeal the taft-hartley act, which will take almost all restraints off unions and make it very possible to unionize nearly everything. So if bods control the means of production for a company and the government can dictate who is on the bods, they are substantially controlling the means of production. All the government then has to do is pander to the union members and pressure the weaker non-union members when it wants something.

    Also, the us government now devotes over half of the federal budget to entitlement programs, programs that the government is not charged with by the constitution. If a government can take the spoils of a substantial part of production and then turn around and spend over half of it on optional activities that help keep it in power, i think that is getting pretty close to socialism.

    So if you really want to see if socialism is possible, take a really hard look at where we are now, versus where we started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrowJS View Post
    I think that, yes, we could go socialist. If we do, it wonít be overnight, but gradually. How do we stop it? Vote, run for office, be politically active, and be jealous a$$&%ߣ$ about our Constitution. And be prepared for the ridicule and hatred.
    It could just happen incrementally. As this generation ages and dies off the country will continue to fill up with people who are either ignorant of or disdainful of our history as well as immigrants with no blood or ideological ties to the Republic. The Marxists can simply win by attrition. What is certain is that the new Americans will have the government they deserve and that isn't a comforting thought.

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    Take a good look at the Antifa crowd and the Save the planet folks and the people demanding "immigration " changes, White Middle Class folks. Seriously look at the protesters bunch of spoiled white kids and middle age white folk with Way Way to much time on their hands. Yes you will see the occasional person of color in the crowd but the large majority will be Anglo. Want to save the country?? The American Hispanic community is the answer the Republican party needs to get off their butt and figure out a way to court the American Hispanic community because like it or not Hispanics will be the majority in Texas soon and if we loose Texas kiss the White House goodbye.
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    Not only can it happen, I'm pretty sure it's going to happen. Right around the time The Antichrist rises to power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit212 View Post
    Take a good look at the Antifa crowd and the Save the planet folks and the people demanding "immigration " changes, White Middle Class folks. Seriously look at the protesters bunch of spoiled white kids and middle age white folk with Way Way to much time on their hands. Yes you will see the occasional person of color in the crowd but the large majority will be Anglo. Want to save the country?? The American Hispanic community is the answer the Republican party needs to get off their butt and figure out a way to court the American Hispanic community because like it or not Hispanics will be the majority in Texas soon and if we loose Texas kiss the White House goodbye.
    There is truth to that. In my neck of the woods Hispanics are just my friends and neighbors, part of the landscape if you will, and they can't be politically pigeonholed. Their political leanings can vary as much as anyone else's. The Republican party would do well to court the Hispanic vote.
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    Some states tend to be precursors for the rest of us. California, Florida, Texas, Colorado and maybe some others, Oregon, Washington. I canít remember where that premise was established, but it is old. Alvin Toffler perhaps.

    My point is the west coast may be leading us into the future, maybe with New York City.....
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    We are working very hard towards socialism.

    The proof is in the Patriot Act. Obamacare. Red Flag Laws. The recent adoption of socialist policies by the Democrats.

    You don't have to look very long or hard to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    I argue that the US is pretty close already, depending on how you define "socialism" and there is some disagreement on that. Consider this: Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist, publicly decried Elizabeth Warren as "being a capitalist" in a TV interview. Can you imagine any major candidate, any candidate that had any chance, even 20 years ago admitting they were a socialist, much less criticizing other candidates for not being socialists?"

    The orthodox definition of socialism is it is a system in which the state owns the means of production. I think a more modern definition is it is a system in which the state owns or controls the means of production. In our country today, the government exercises all kinds of controls over supposedly capitalist, "free" enterprise and seems to be open to expanding that control at its whim. This goes from major controls controls on big corporations, down to trying to control whether a baker has to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

    I think despite what Sanders says, we will definitely cross the line with what Warren is proposing. She wants to force all big corporations with unions to have 40% of their BODs be union representation. And she wants to repeal the Taft-Hartley Act, which will take almost all restraints off unions and make it very possible to unionize nearly everything. So if BODs control the means of production for a company and the government can dictate who is on the BODs, they are substantially controlling the means of production. All the government then has to do is pander to the union members and pressure the weaker non-union members when it wants something.

    Also, the US government now devotes over half of the federal budget to entitlement programs, programs that the government is not charged with by the Constitution. If a government can take the spoils of a substantial part of production and then turn around and spend over half of it on optional activities that help keep it in power, I think that is getting pretty close to socialism.

    So if you really want to see if socialism is possible, take a really hard look at where we are now, versus where we started.
    I'd say we're already there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    Some states tend to be precursors for the rest of us. California, Florida, Texas, Colorado and maybe some others, Oregon, Washington. I canít remember where that premise was established, but it is old. Alvin Toffler perhaps.
    It's been said of California for as long as I can remember.
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    One generation away from socialism, two generations away from full blown communism. America, as we know it, is going the way of the roman empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoyVA View Post
    No, not legally. It would be illegal to install a socialist or communist form of government in this country, or any other form not of the kind we have historically had. It wouldn't matter if 90% of the people voted for it, it would be against the law.
    Shall not be infringed is pretty clear however they ignore that don't they? They'll ignore anything that does not advance their cause.


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