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Can socialism/communism happen here in the U.S.?

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  • Yes, I think it's entirely possible for the U.S. to become a socialist/communist country.

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  • No, I don't believe the U.S. will ever become a socialist/communist country.

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    I voted no because I think the question has a conflict.

    Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. See also Marxism.

    While there are similarities between the two, under communism individual choice is eliminded at the state dictates your position, income, etc. That is not true under socialist, Sweden is socialist. China is communist. The two nations are significantly different in terms of individual freedoms. Sweden is not moving toward communism. Chin is moving toward Socialism.

    So I do think that the US could become Socuaist, but not Communist. So I had to vote No.
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    Unless we stop public education...stop sending our kids to be indoctrinated...it is certain. Stop spending your money on guns and such...put your money where your mouth is and do the right thing for this country...send your children to private school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootnlead View Post
    Unless we stop public education...stop sending our kids to be indoctrinated...it is certain. Stop spending your money on guns and such...put your money were your mouth is and do the right thing for this country...send your children to private school.
    I did, and then to colege, and then to graduate school. They are very educated, smart, and savvy, And I am broke. However I did accomplish one thing. The daughter EDCs a 380 and the son EDCs a 9mm. The old man rubbed off on them in spite of all the education. I love them both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    Technically true, but look at all the other things that are already in place that are technically illegal: NFA, GCA, Brady, etc. And if you expand your view of socialism to include government control of the means of production as well as ownership, it would not be all that illegal. You would still own your property, but the government would be directing what you do with it.
    Socialism by definition means government control of the means of production and the distribution of goods and services. It also means and end to private property ownership. It is a system of government and as such is illegal in the United States. Article IV, Section IV guarantees a republican form of government to all of the states.

    Now your comment about while it would be technically (actually it is factually) illegal, a lot of other things are already in place that are illegal is absolutely true. And all of that is due primarily to constitutional interpretation. One can interpret the thing to the point of completely reversing it with the right people in place.

    What I wrote was the truth as it is written in our Constitution. What has taken place over the years is an abomination of that document.
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    Can socialism/communism happen here in the U.S.?

    No way.

    No how.

    For those who haven't been keeping up with events over the past 30 years or so, it might seem that it could happen, because that's the narrative that's being fed to us.

    The reality is that our beloved country is now owned and operated by "multi-national" corporations that write legislation favorable to their bottom lines and then present it to their bought and paid for legislators who pass it into law.

    There's a reason that the big "tax cut" two years ago went mostly to them.

    We've devolved from democracy into corporatocracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post
    No way.

    No how.

    For those who haven't been keeping up with events over the past 30 years or so, it might seem that it could happen, because that's the narrative that's being fed to us.

    The reality is that our beloved country is now owned and operated by "multi-national" corporations that write legislation favorable to their bottom lines and then present it to their bought and paid for legislators who pass it into law.

    There's a reason that the big "tax cut" two years ago went mostly to them.

    We've devolved from democracy into corporatocracy.
    Our country has been socialist to some degree for a long time, and has only got worse over time. As time goes on, the new socialism that is initially opposed eventually just becomes the new norm.
    We get the government we deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post

    The reality is that our beloved country is now owned and operated by "multi-national" corporations that write legislation favorable to their bottom lines and then present it to their bought and paid for legislators who pass it into law.

    There's a reason that the big "tax cut" two years ago went mostly to them.
    Then why have virtually all of my individual clients benefited from thousands of dollars of lower taxes? Virtually across the board? From the lowest income clients to the highest? Please explain your theory. Please explain your sources. This experience has been discussed across a broad spectrum of tax professionals.

    The latest IRS SOI data is from 2017, so you must have some current source of data.

    Please explain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post
    No way.

    No how.

    For those who haven't been keeping up with events over the past 30 years or so, it might seem that it could happen, because that's the narrative that's being fed to us.

    The reality is that our beloved country is now owned and operated by "multi-national" corporations that write legislation favorable to their bottom lines and then present it to their bought and paid for legislators who pass it into law.

    There's a reason that the big "tax cut" two years ago went mostly to them.

    We've devolved from democracy into corporatocracy.
    Uh, we were never a democracy and thank God for that.
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    From time to time, I am of a mind to post this link for those who may wish to revisit the major forms of government and know why our Founders gave us a Constitutional Republic. This short video is one of the best teaching aids I have seen that outlines and compares these governments.

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    I just heard this morning Dr. Sebastian Gorka who stated that according to recent surveys, 52% of Millenials would be willing to vote for socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I just heard this morning Dr. Sebastian Gorka who stated that according to recent surveys, 52% of Millenials would be willing to vote for socialism.
    That percentage may or may not be accurate, but it would not surprise me if it was....
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    Yes! More and more young people are embracing socialism. Ever since this happened there have been way more openly socialist candidates. One even outright said he would do firearms confiscation. Next elections will see more candidates embrace that. I pray that an openly socialist president never wins as that would absolutely doom our great nation. A socialist president would only promote more socialism in our courts, Congress and other public offices. It's the real life domino effect.

    Thankfully though I do see a lot of younger people
    embracing conservative values. I still see hope in our future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post
    No way.

    No how.

    For those who haven't been keeping up with events over the past 30 years or so, it might seem that it could happen, because that's the narrative that's being fed to us.

    The reality is that our beloved country is now owned and operated by "multi-national" corporations that write legislation favorable to their bottom lines and then present it to their bought and paid for legislators who pass it into law.

    There's a reason that the big "tax cut" two years ago went mostly to them.

    We've devolved from democracy into corporatocracy.
    We earned more but paid less in taxes than the previous year and Sister and I are not a large multinational corporation. You need to watch more than CNN or PMSNBC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I just heard this morning Dr. Sebastian Gorka who stated that according to recent surveys, 52% of Millenials would be willing to vote for socialism.
    I know of a couple of baby boomers who voted for a communist for President. One of them was appointed director of the CIA and the other to the FBI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWOUSCG View Post
    I know of a couple of baby boomers who voted for a communist for President. One of them was appointed director of the CIA and the other to the FBI.
    Yes, I have heard of them, too....
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