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Can socialism/communism happen here in the U.S.?

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  • Yes, I think it's entirely possible for the U.S. to become a socialist/communist country.

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  • No, I don't believe the U.S. will ever become a socialist/communist country.

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    Can it happen?

    Any time, any place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    But would you say they were wrong in their assessment?
    We still have a strong republic, we have most all the guns we want, and more people than ever carrying. We have seen wars started under all manner of administrations, seen ups and downs in the economy, have witnessed laws and courts shift one side to the other more than once. I would say the level of wailing and gnashing of teeth on those historical cries of "hell in a hand-basket" were pretty much not so much.

    There is a great deal of evidence over centuries that the age in which one lives is believed by many to be more perilous than the "good old days" when things weren't so perilous. History suggests that the things that people complain and project over in any given era are really not very unique at all. People fear things. It is an inherent human trait. 24/7 news for profit feeds the gnashing of teeth. The good old days, when you could count on whatever is is that counting on was important, is only the good old days when looked at in the rear view mirror. This era will be someone's good old days, to be sure.

    Meanwhile, we have a president that not long ago some may have said would be impossible to elect due to (fill in the blank reasons). And yet, what do you know. No, I don't worry about much of these things. As with every other "no really, this is different" historical clamor, it too shall pass. Someone will be here when every single person on this forum is gone to do whatever it is they are going to do. You can bet, some will fear something and make sure others are aware of it.

    Lather, rinse, repeat throughout the centuries to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS_Shooter View Post
    We still have a strong republic, we have most all the guns we want, and more people than ever carrying. We have seen wars started under all manner of administrations, seen ups and downs in the economy, have witnessed laws and courts shift one side to the other more than once. I would say the level of wailing and gnashing of teeth on those historical cries of "hell in a hand-basket" were pretty much not so much.

    There is a great deal of evidence over centuries that the age in which one lives is believed by many to be more perilous than the "good old days" when things weren't so perilous. History suggests that the things that people complain and project over in any given era are really not very unique at all. People fear things. It is an inherent human trait. 24/7 news for profit feeds the gnashing of teeth. The good old days, when you could count on whatever is is that counting on was important, is only the good old days when looked at in the rear view mirror. This era will be someone's good old days, to be sure.

    Meanwhile, we have a president that not long ago some may have said would be impossible to elect due to (fill in the blank reasons). And yet, what do you know. No, I don't worry about much of these things. As with every other "no really, this is different" historical clamor, it too shall pass. Someone will be here when every single person on this forum is gone to do whatever it is they are going to do. You can bet, some will fear something and make sure others are aware of it.

    Lather, rinse, repeat throughout the centuries to come.
    We have "most" of the guns we want, but from the time frame you mentioned until now, that has been reduced, and there is a continuous effort to reduce it even more, and even to eliminate it altogether, with little effort to expand it. This is not the only right that has been continuously infringed on over the years. The person you speak of that many said was impossible to elect, earlier this year with the stroke of a pen was able to single handedly(literally and figuratively) redefine a word that turned people into felons all because they posessed an item they purchased lawfully.
    The book 1984 was written in 1949, and I dont think its a coincidence that the world we live in today has so many similarities. That being said, I will acknowledge that in some aspects, peoples rights have been expanded, although Im not completely convinced that it was always done so for the people, and not for the benefit of the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    We have "most" of the guns we want, but from the time frame you mentioned until now, that has been reduced, and there is a continuous effort to reduce it even more.....
    Are we sure about that. In 1973 43% of households owned one or more firearms, and in 2018 43% of homes owned one or more firearms. And between those two years it went up and down by a few percentage points from year to year. Forearms manufacturing in the US has doubled in the last 25 years. Firearms sales were fairly steady from the early 80's and then significantly increased during the Obama years.

    Which era is the baseline for saying that the number of guns has reduced?

    The person you speak of that many said was impossible to elect, earlier this year with the stroke of a pen was able to single handedly(literally and figuratively) redefine a word that turned people into felons all because they posessed an item they purchased lawfully.
    Do you think that in our history that this same abuse of presidential power was not likewise used? Different era, same abuse, different topic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS_Shooter View Post
    Are we sure about that. In 1973 43% of households owned one or more firearms, and in 2018 43% of homes owned one or more firearms. And between those two years it went up and down by a few percentage points from year to year. Forearms manufacturing in the US has doubled in the last 25 years. Firearms sales were fairly steady from the early 80's and then significantly increased during the Obama years.

    Which era is the baseline for saying that the number of guns has reduced?



    Do you think that in our history that this same abuse of presidential power was not likewise used? Different era, same abuse, different topic?
    Yes I’m sure about that. The data you provided doesn’t help your point. If anything it helps my point because we have heard time and time again how Obama was the best gun salesman in history, and all these record days for NICS checks that have all been driven by fear of more gun control. I highly doubt you could cite a law that has made any guns legal in 2018 that were not legal in 1973, but I think we can both name several laws from the 30s to present day that have restricted the firearms that can be owned, or manufactured. Even if you were to cite something like Heller as a victory for gun rights, despite my opinion that it wasn’t really a win, I would say that it’s basically taking 4 steps back, 1 step forward, etc.

    Yes EO’s have been abused prior to that incident, and that also proves my point, not yourse, because people saw that abuse occurring, and that has shaped their opinion. The difference between the people several decades ago and now is that many of the people alive today were born into life after previous infringements in their constitutional rights and therefore don’t really know any different.
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    I think I misinterpreted part of you initial reply. I see now that the reference to "most of the guns", you meant models or types vs volume. What guns would you like to buy now, that you could have purchased in the 20's, but can't now? I'm thinking you might have been able to buy full auto, but is there something else you can't buy now?
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    Socialism in the US?

    Well, there’s already the greatest Ponzi scheme in history known as Social Security. There’s half the population providing taxes and half reaping free benefit of those taxes. There are also those who get tax “refunds” who paid zero taxes. There’s a push for “free” healthcare and college, as well as guaranteed monthly basic income without having to work.

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    I think the really scary part of this is that Millenials, aged 20-35, are scheduled to overtake Baby Boomers (aged 52-70) this year.. I think we are truly screwed when it comes to the 2020 election.

    Millennials projected to overtake Baby Boomers as America’s largest generation

    Millennials are on the cusp of surpassing Baby Boomers as the nation’s largest living adult generation, according to population projections from the U.S. Census Bureau. As of July 1, 2016 (the latest date for which population estimates are available), Millennials, whom we define as ages 20 to 35 in 2016, numbered 71 million, and Boomers (ages 52 to 70) numbered 74 million. Millennials are expected to overtake Boomers in population in 2019 as their numbers swell to 73 million and Boomers decline to 72 million. Generation X (ages 36 to 51 in 2016) is projected to pass the Boomers in population by 2028.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post
    Please note that I said, "Most of the tax cut went to corporations."

    I did not say, "Individuals got nothing."

    The corporate tax rate went from 35% down to 21%.

    Most individuals saw a reduction of anywhere from 2% - 5%.
    And those corporations passed on the tax break to their employees with bonuses, pay raises, capital improvements, and so forth. Never mind the corporation also increased in value which was good for my 401K and my companies profit sharing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CWOUSCG View Post
    And those corporations passed on the tax break to their employees with bonuses, pay raises, capital improvements, and so forth. Never mind the corporation also increased in value which was good for my 401K and my companies profit sharing.
    They don't speak that lingo. Much less understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoDeer View Post
    I believe that the country will go socialist...I read an article the other day...that felt that this is the last election (2020) that a Republican could win. The reasoning is that...the younger generation seems to favor socialism...
    No, dear.
    (Sorry: I couldn't keep myself from writing that.)

    Even the youngest generation finally matures, and those once-children have to find jobs. And keep them.
    That's a very instructive experience.

    Eventually, almost everybody who works (really works—not "has a government job") becomes more and more conservative.
    And many of them start to vote more conservatively, too.

    Economic conservatism (even for social liberals) eventually redresses the balance that every older generation has seen. The next couple of generations first rebel, then leave home, seek employment, work for a living, and begin their own slide toward economic conservatism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS_Shooter View Post
    I think I misinterpreted part of you initial reply. I see now that the reference to "most of the guns", you meant models or types vs volume. What guns would you like to buy now, that you could have purchased in the 20's, but can't now? I'm thinking you might have been able to buy full auto, but is there something else you can't buy now?
    Basically doing away with the NFA/FOPA so that people could buy machine guns, SBR's, suppressors, etc, without even needing a tax stamp and all that stuff. Off the top of my head, thats all I can think of speaking only on restrictions on manufacture and ownership of firearms at the federal level.
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    M1911A1, I think you're right for many who "truly work" as you put it. But there are certainly many who don't get it. Our nephews who I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, all have good paying jobs, yet want socialism (maybe they're just lazy?). My aunt and uncle who are upper middle class and were life long conservatives now are flaming liberals (probably because of their kids). I think that many in the USA have gone insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I think that many in the USA have gone insane.
    A large part of the attraction of socialism is being able to get what others have without putting in the work. Even those with good incomes can fall victim to coveting their neighbor’s possessions.

    America has lost its Judeo-Christian morals as the Ten Commandments are sidelined.
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    I know way too many senior citizens who are flaming liberals.
    Some get that way out of fear that as they get older, they will not be able to take care if themselves and will need the government to do so.
    Wish more folks grew up as I did.
    Family takes care of family. When I was growing up
    my grandmother lived with us till the day she died. We took care of her. It was not a chore, it was a blessing to have her with us.
    Today way too many people are selfish and want the government to take care of their elderly parents.
    My mother in law is 83 now, still doing great. But when the time comes she will move in with my wife and I.
    Never wanted or needed a government handout.
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