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    He lived 93 years longer than some who went through the camps. I wish more of them had been prosecuted. Many got off easy. Complicit behavior was everywhere. As much as I have read about WWII, I still run across a documentary or something with info about things I never heard before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmhawth View Post
    Is anything accomplished by putting this 93 year old on trial now? I suppose there is in terms of symbolic justice for his victim's families and some overall satisfaction. Other than that I'm not sure.
    It causes the remaining war criminals to get edgy every time someone looks at them funny, or after they hear a strange noise, or answer the phone and get silence.

    Imagine going though life getting jumpy every time some one approaches you and says "excuse me ..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottync View Post
    He’s lucky that he reached that advanced age without previous consequences.
    Were it me, a victim of the camps with murdered family members still fresh in my mind, I would want to kill every damned one of them I could lay my hands on.
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    My father in law told me of the horror of scenes like these when his unit liberated several "camps."


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    Why prosecute a 93 year old? If for absolutely no other reason, because someone needs to answer for this. Does anyone really think the 17 year old SS butchers walked by this kind of thing every day or so and believed they were throwing a picnic? My father in law was 18 and he knew exactly what it represented at first look.

    Even though I can't support it theologically, (because hell will be hell because it is the only place in the universe where God is not present) I hope there is an especially terrible place there for such people.

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    This is a big yawner for me. It's a waste of time, but if you want to nail some low level security guard to the wall have at it...if it makes some people feel better. I'm not going to shed any tears for him. Meanwhile the real architects skated away.

    But how about we also go after Soros too?

    How about the real villains and benefactors get exposed for what they were? Including the enablers in our own intel communities? Eisenhauer alluded to them in his famous farewell address. Kennedy looked to dismantle them and splinter them into "a thousand pieces", but they had "six ways from Sunday" of getting even with him.

    And don't forget all of the other 1000+ high level National Socialists brought Stateside after the war. Von Braun, Kurt Debus and their ilk. Von Braun ran the V2 rocket program and was directly responsible for thousands of deaths in their underground manufacturing plants when they worked slaves until they just died. The punishment for his sins? Running NASA's rocket program. But it's all good, he helped get us to the moon.

    Is this really benefiting society- 93 yr old on trial for being 17 yr old SS guard?-kennedydrdebus1982.jpg (Did Kubrick see this photo? Who is that Merkwurkdigliebe cat one row back, and is he wearing a glove...so many questions.)

    I find the ones like these guys who got a pass even more reprehensible than some lowly guard.

    How about we also show all these Antifa jokers how they parallel the Sturmabteilung of the 30's? Is history queuing up for a repeat encore?


    Going after what was some 17 year old moron that was probably nothing more than a cog in the wheel who grew up indoctrinated by the Hitler Youth program is such a lame waste of time in an age where I doubt anyone under 30 knows or cares what happened 75 years ago, and it cheapens the real atrocities that the masterminds got away with. Our prison camp guard is just a scapegoat for a greater evil that occurred.


    If you want to learn more about that time post war, a real good book is "Operation Paperclip" by Annie Jacobsen.

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    Does anybody know if individuals who were young, low ranking SS guards were put on trial in the past?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottync View Post
    He’s lucky that he reached that advanced age without previous consequences.
    Luck has nothing to do with it. Some day he's still going to answer for his crimes. We're all going to meet our Maker some day, who also happens to be a Jew...

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    You reap what you sow. I have seen it in my own life. It is unmistakable to those with eyes to see.

    Justice finally caught up with him. What purpose does it serve? It's sad that we even ask that question.
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    As he was not yet 21 at the time, Mr Dey is being tried in a juvenile court.
    I have no idea what German law will apply to Herr Dey as a juvenile offender. I have a hunch being age 93 he will die on his own regardless of what the court hands down.

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    The following is a list of people suspected of committing war crimes on behalf of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan or any of the Axis powers during World War II. It does not include people from Allied countries who were suspected of treason.

    A little light reading, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...for_war_crimes

    I have read a great many books about Nazi Germany , there are plenty of books out there about the above people .

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    Quote Originally Posted by KILTED COWBOY View Post
    Today, people are questioning again whether or not the holocaust actually happened.
    These trials do serve a purpose in reminding people what did happen.
    The Nazis were monsters. I do not give a pass to those who say they were just following orders.
    Yes, the trials may remind people of the horrors of the Holocaust. How can our memories be so short? For lack of respect and lack of learning history. A 2018 survey of Americans revealed the following:
    * 11% of total U.S. adults and 22% of milenials have not heard of or are not sure if they have heard of the Holocaust.
    * 31% of U.S. adults believe that 2 million or fewer Jews were killed during the Holocaust.
    * Approximately half of all U.S. adults (45%) and milenials (49%) cannot name a single Concentration Camp or Ghetto.
    * 41% of total U.S. adults and 66% of milenials surveyed could not identify what Auschwitz was.
    * Most Americans (80%) have never visited a Holocaust memorial or museum.
    * 93% of U.S. adults believe that there should be mandatory Holocaust education taught in schools.
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    Let's keep in mind he was SS. The SS is another thing people are starting to forget about the horror of the Nazis. The SS was not German Army or police. It was the Nazi Party's paramilitary organization, loyal to Hitler himself, more than Germany as a country. They were like uniformed, legal terrorists with greater authority than the army or police. Just having been a member should have been a war crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flh View Post
    The following is a list of people suspected of committing war crimes on behalf of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan or any of the Axis powers during World War II. It does not include people from Allied countries who were suspected of treason.

    A little light reading, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...for_war_crimes
    How many on those lists were junior enlisted or under 18 at the time of their involvement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    Let's keep in mind he was SS. The SS is another thing people are starting to forget about the horror of the Nazis. The SS was not German Army or police. It was the Nazi Party's paramilitary organization, loyal to Hitler himself, more than Germany as a country. They were like uniformed, legal terrorists with greater authority than the army or police. Just having been a member should have been a war crime.
    What about former Hitler Youth members? They could be just as fanatical, and were a pipeline into the SS. Should the Nazi hunters be raiding nursing homes looking for them too?
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    The fact that he kept some of his nazi uniform gear could be sign he was still proud of his military history. If that is true he is still a nazi SS at heart, and should face the consequences of his past involvement in the worst human, mass murder of all time.

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