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Is this really benefiting society- 93 yr old on trial for being 17 yr old SS guard?

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    https://time.com/5563615/nazi-trials-over/

    ... prosecutors are currently preparing cases against women in their 90s who a lifetime ago had worked as switchboard operators in Nazi concentration camps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebleyHunter View Post
    How many on those lists were junior enlisted or under 18 at the time of their involvement?
    I've never researched the ages of those involved ,

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth

    By December 1936, Hitler Youth membership had reached over five million.[42] That same month, membership became mandatory for "Aryans", under the Gesetz über die Hitlerjugend (Hitler Youth Law).[43] This legal obligation was reaffirmed in March 1939 with the Jugenddienstpflicht (Youth Service Duty), which conscripted all German youths into the Hitler Youth–even if the parents objected.[44] Parents who refused to allow their children to join were subject to an investigation by the authorities.[45] From then on, the vast majority of Germany's teenagers belonged to the Hitler Youth. By 1940, it had eight million members.[46]

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    What's it accomplishing? It's telling people that what he did was wrong, regardless of how long ago it was.

    You're never too old to pay for your crimes against humanity. I'm glad they're still going after these guys.

    Is protecting former SS / Nazi soldiers against prosecution offering some benefit to society that I'm unaware of? Please enlighten me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttshot14 View Post
    the fact that he kept some of his nazi uniform gear could be sign he was still proud of his military history. If that is true he is still a nazi ss at heart, and should face the consequences of his past involvement in the worst human, mass murder of all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ButtShot14 View Post
    The fact that he kept some of his nazi uniform gear could be sign he was still proud of his military history. If that is true he is still a nazi SS at heart, and should face the consequences of his past involvement in the worst human, mass murder of all time.
    Yes- I would be interesting to see what was kept, along with his current attitude- repentant or defiant.
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    It took about 160 staff to run a death camp. Was a low-level guard any less complicit than the guy dropping the gas cannister into the acid?

    If a former staffer's life is shortened by one day as a result of being discovered at this late date, it's good by me.
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    Just a food for thought question...

    Would we have put a former CSA Private who was 17 in 1864 and served a guard at Andersonville on trail in 1940?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebleyHunter View Post
    Just a food for thought question...

    Would we have put a former CSA Private who was 17 in 1864 and served a guard at Andersonville on trail in 1940?
    No , one of the reasons why , The Final Solution , https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution



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    Quote Originally Posted by WebleyHunter View Post
    What about former Hitler Youth members? They could be just as fanatical, and were a pipeline into the SS. Should the Nazi hunters be raiding nursing homes looking for them too?
    O come on! That's a "fallacy of extremes" argument. Not worth an answer.

    FWIW, though, I had a chief of staff, an aviator and captain in the US Navy, who had been in the Hitler Youth. The deal was, he was born in Florida to German immigrant parents. His Dad moved the family back to Germany when Hitler came to power because he supported the Nazis. His Dad was in the German Army and was killed on the Eastern Front. After the war, his Mom got him a US Passport based on his place of birth and he got shipped back to Florida to be raised by relatives.

    He said the Hitler Youth was like the Boy Scouts. They camped out and played army in the woods. Joining was just what kids did. They didn't really have a choice. They got fed a lot of propaganda, of course, but they didn't understand most of it. When he got back to the States, he had a pretty normal childhood, joined the Navy out of college and went on to fight in Vietnam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risasi View Post
    This is a big yawner for me. It's a waste of time, but if you want to nail some low level security guard to the wall have at it...if it makes some people feel better. I'm not going to shed any tears for him. Meanwhile the real architects skated away.

    But how about we also go after Soros too?

    How about the real villains and benefactors get exposed for what they were? Including the enablers in our own intel communities? Eisenhauer alluded to them in his famous farewell address. Kennedy looked to dismantle them and splinter them into "a thousand pieces", but they had "six ways from Sunday" of getting even with him.

    And don't forget all of the other 1000+ high level National Socialists brought Stateside after the war. Von Braun, Kurt Debus and their ilk. Von Braun ran the V2 rocket program and was directly responsible for thousands of deaths in their underground manufacturing plants when they worked slaves until they just died. The punishment for his sins? Running NASA's rocket program. But it's all good, he helped get us to the moon.

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    I find the ones like these guys who got a pass even more reprehensible than some lowly guard.

    How about we also show all these Antifa jokers how they parallel the Sturmabteilung of the 30's? Is history queuing up for a repeat encore?


    Going after what was some 17 year old moron that was probably nothing more than a cog in the wheel who grew up indoctrinated by the Hitler Youth program is such a lame waste of time in an age where I doubt anyone under 30 knows or cares what happened 75 years ago, and it cheapens the real atrocities that the masterminds got away with. Our prison camp guard is just a scapegoat for a greater evil that occurred.


    If you want to learn more about that time post war, a real good book is "Operation Paperclip" by Annie Jacobsen.
    Funny you mentioned Von Braun.
    I knew a guy who worked at NASA with him.
    Said he was an arrogant, lousy human being. Kept to himself most of the time.
    They would drag him out for photo ops and interviews when needed.
    A lot of what he had done was just starting to come out when he died.
    Said it was good for him that he died when he did, because pubic opinion of him was fixin' to change
    Heck we used him to beat the Soviets, probably the only thing that kept him out of prison or worse

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    A little off topic , The 442nd Regiment is the most decorated unit in U.S. military history .

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    I worked for a few years with an engineer who was a tank commander under Rommel in North Africa in WWII. He had just got his engineer degree and was working in Germany for RCA when WWII broke out and was drafted. He was personally awarded a medal by Hitler. He was captured and spent time in POW camps in Europe and then was transferred to a POW camp in Canada. After WWII, he immigrated to the US and became a citizen.
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    For those who sympathize with this guy, I wonder how you might feel if your grandparents had been gassed at that camp and your parents, as teenagers, had been interred and mistreated there. I had a good friend in college whose parents had concentration camp tattoos on their arms and whose parents (my friend's grandparents, that he never got to meet) had been gassed. I stayed with that family over a long weekend once. Nice folks. I kept wondering how horrible their experience must have been and I could not find it in me to imagine it.
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    I believe we as a society would be remiss to ignore war crimes as such. We have continued to support and facilitate various extraditions and I believe those should continue until the war criminals are all dead or in prison. My father liberated some of the camps with his Infantry. He would undoubtedly agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    For those who sympathize with this guy, I wonder how you might feel if your grandparents had been gassed at that camp and your parents, as teenagers, had been interred and mistreated there. I had a good friend in college whose parents had concentration camp tattoos on their arms and whose parents (my friend's grandparents, that he never got to meet) had been gassed. I stayed with that family over a long weekend once. Nice folks. I kept wondering how horrible their experience must have been and I could not find it in me to imagine it.
    I had a foreign languages teacher in high school who every now and then, would go off about his experience in one of the camps. Creeped a lot of people out at times. Some of the kids drove VWs and he despised that. He went off one day about buying American. Other wise, a quiet guy mostly, but people avoided certain topics with him like the plague.

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