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This is a discussion on dining issue @McD's within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; I think the gun buster pictograph was added to the most recent "No bare feet, No bare chest..." door sticker sign for McD's, no doubt ...

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    I think the gun buster pictograph was added to the most recent "No bare feet, No bare chest..." door sticker sign for McD's, no doubt updated due to the antics of militant open carry activists. The location nearest my office just remodeled and added the new sign. As noted, no legal impact in CO- I doubt the manager would care less if patrons CC'ed at that location.
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    Signs are not a problem here in Fla..However where ever I see a Gun Buster sign my Wallet and I Leave!.
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    We don't eat at McDonalds (or other fast food joints) and we probably don't fit their demographic (health conscience) customer!
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    I must be blind,i never see any signs.
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    A perfect solution to avoid encountering violence at fast food joints is to simply not patronize them. Fast food is slow poison anyway.

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    I had to chuckle when I read the subject line.

    To me, "dining" is a rather civilized, leisurely form of eating real, well prepared food. "Grabbing some stuff" is more descriptive of what you do at fast food joints.

    That's me, though. (Before I changed my diet to eat in a healthy manner, I did occasionally pop into a fast food place for a quick breakfast sandwich if I was on the way to someplace and had not had time to eat breakfast at home.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macantic View Post
    I must be blind,i never see any signs.
    Most people don't even look at any of those signs so it would be real easy to be slapped with a criminal trespass charge. A lot of those signs are so small or they blend in with the other prohibited signage that it'll be real easy to miss them. I've seen signs as small as 2"x2" but they still have force of law here. And, of course, people with criminal intent aren't going to pay attention to the signage anyway. Oh well, when someone has an anti-gun agenda, logic goes out the window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty Lu View Post
    A perfect solution to avoid encountering violence at fast food joints is to simply not patronize them. Fast food is slow poison anyway.
    At least it's cheaper food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RETSUPT99 View Post
    Another reason to love FL, no problem with firearms in churches, banks, and signs (which are seldom seen) do not have the force of law.
    All the sun and no state income tax doesn't hurt either.
    True. The only "businesses" where I've seen no-gun signs in FL are Toys/Babies-r-Us. I've heard Buffalo WW has them but there are so many wing joints around I've never been to a BWW.

    A few medical facilities have them, but not much else. Oddly, the facility where I used to primarily go had them in various offices, but not on the facility entrance, and some of those have been removed.
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    As a Plumber I worked in lots of kitchens. and One thing I can say about McD's is they are almost always "Clean".

    If the local McD's put up a gunbuster sign, they would loose their largest core of repeat customers! Most mornings half the dining room is filled with a Group of Retired Cops, Firefighters, and Military. All of them are armed! It's a small town and I don't think they would give up their Coffee Clatch.
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    First mistake is eating at McDonalds.
    Food is tasteless. Would rather spend more and get great food at a local diner that is very gun friendly and breakfast made from scratch with never ending hot coffee.

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    - in CA 'no guns signs' are non-enforceable
    - although we were told it is inadvisable to carry at DisneyLand because there are secret-police underground that come out of the storm drains and can hold you in the underground detention-center

    - eating McDonald's food is more of a health-risk than not carrying in McDonald's, statistically speaking..





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    Quote Originally Posted by starlights View Post
    - in CA 'no guns signs' are non-enforceable
    - although we were told it is inadvisable to carry at DisneyLand because there are secret-police underground that come out of the storm drains and can hold you in the underground detention-center

    - eating McDonald's food is more of a health-risk than not carrying in McDonald's, statistically speaking..

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    DIsneyworld here used to just have No-Gun signs and "security" people who would poke around with a wood stick in women's purses and bags. Now they have metal detectors at the entries, etc., not that it matters to me. I'm not a six-year-old kid amazed by the "magic" anymore and won't go there for any reason. They have a license to rob you blind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RETSUPT99 View Post
    Another reason to love FL, no problem with firearms in churches, banks, and signs (which are seldom seen) do not have the force of law.
    All the sun and no state income tax doesn't hurt either.
    true, but apparently you live somewhere you do not pay tolls on EVERY ROAD to anywhere. We make up for the no state income tax charade in other ways big time.
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    We must understand the reasons for firearm prohibitions and the "no guns" signs.

    A few are due to individual business owners' personal beliefs (general aversion to violence or weapons).

    Some come about because of protracted lobbying efforts by anti-gun groups. When faced with repeated barrages of petitions and threats of boycotts by groups of potential customers, some business owners will cave in to what is perceived to be overwhelming public demand and post the premises in response.

    The majority are caused by insurance companies' requirements; i.e.: no policy will be issued or renewed unless the owners comply with insurance underwriters' requirements to prohibit weapons on the premises. This is especially true with chain stores and other multiple-outlet businesses, shopping malls, or non-profits (churches, medical facilities, fraternal organizations, etc). The goal is to create an arms' length from liability claims by adopting a no weapons policy, thus in the event of a claim the company hopes to find it easier to dodge liability with the simple defense that the persons (customers, employees, whatever) were acting in violation of company policy so the company cannot be held liable for the results. Depending on varying state laws this can be a very effective defense against lawsuits and, at minimum, provides defense attorneys with a strong argument to present to a jury deciding a case.

    Property rights are property rights. Businesses exist on private property and the owners have the right to regulate who may enter, what purposes may be pursued, and conduct while on the property. No one has a right to enter any business establishment; rather, only those who are there to conduct business with the owners under the owners' terms and conditions may be on the property. The customer or patron is, in effect, a trespasser with license (invited into the property by the owner for the owner's purposes).

    Entry to the property and availing ones' self of advertised goods or services conveys no rights at all, while there is a general obligation of the business owner to maintain an orderly and safe place for those who decide to patronize the business. Insurance companies rely upon those general principles when requiring a weapons prohibition policy. The only choice for the business owners is whether to comply and remain insured or attempt to seek business liability insurance from another source, and that choice is greatly limited for franchises, chain stores, shopping malls, and others relying on "blanket" insurance policies controlled by the "name brand" company they rely upon for daily operations, advertising, supplies, merchandise, and other necessities of the business.

    We can confront business owners or managers telling them we are taking our business elsewhere because of such policies, we can pass out the little cards announcing that we and our wallets are going elsewhere, we can write letters and send emails to corporate headquarters, and other symbolic acts of protest, but in the end the business must attend to its business functions and that relies heavily upon liability insurance coverage.

    A recent mass murder in Las Vegas was perpetrated by a man occupying a rented hotel room using multiple firearms to kill and wound dozens attending a nearby music concert event. In the immediate aftermath the so-called "bump stock ban" was announced, and multiple mega-lawsuits were filed against the hotel company (probably the deepest pocket the tort lawyers will find). Today, if you visit Las Vegas, you will probably find "no guns" and "no weapons" signs posted in just about every hotel, casino, and public venue you go to.
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