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Do you believe in man made climate change (global warming)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by retired badge 1 View Post
    The "climate change" movement (formerly known as "global warming" and the "imminent coming of the Second Ice Age" before morphing into its current iteration) is not science, or even remotely scientific. It is a cult with all the trappings of a religion including infallible priests and priestesses and unchallengeable scriptures. Anyone who doubts can easily be dismissed as ignorant, and anyone who challenges will be attacked as a heretic.

    I sense that Gaia, the Earth Goddess, is not pleased by what I have written, and I expect the full brunt of societal denouncement against me at any moment.
    A few weeks ago the Wall Street Journal published a guest opinion piece on this exact theme. The author expounded on all of the similarities between climate change activism and religious fervor. The article did a nice job of describing the role of charismatic leaders, jargon, and "unassailable" truths in advancing the cause of saving the earth before it is too late. While his argument was a bit novel and skillfully developed it did unintentionally create an obvious logical fallacy.

    Many of the critics who point out that predictions on future climate trends espoused by environmentalists are based on unscientific interpretation of inadequate data also have a blind faith belief in virgin births, resurrection, and literal transubstantiation. They say they have a science centered education and a constitution that can only be swayed by hard evidence yet sacrifice that high ground when it comes to their own unflappable belief in phenomenon that can not be proven through data or scientific evidence. That is not intended to be a criticism but a perspective on the power of belief systems that guide our thoughts and actions.

    In the past several weeks this off-topic forum on a really great firearms site has hosted threads on white privilege, child sexual predators, border guards as Nazis, racism, antisemitism and those dastardly millennials. Now a global warming poll. C'mon. No more trolling, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    Sometimes a person comes into the middle of a process, say like how a car is made, and is unable to see how building a transmission fits into the bigger picture of a transportation vehicle as the end result.

    How are we to know if coral bleaching, polar ice cap melting, (pick a politically hot button segment of what has been labeled global climate change), is just a small part of the natural process of how the earth goes through it's own... and natural... seasons? Summer with the dinosaurs and winter with the ice ages along with slow, small, changes of fall and spring that transition from summer into winter and vice versa.

    I am of the opinion that even with all the smart scientists and the data collected so far no one, not one, has collected enough data to be able to make assertions, or even guesses for that matter, concerning a climate that spans millions of years simply because we came into the process in the middle.

    But the self serving politicians and special interest groups count on that dearth of real data in order to spin a normal earth climate process into a money making machine.
    Add to that the fact that NOAA and other agencies have been proven to have either faked data or hidden data that disconfirms their assertions. The smartest scientists working on fake data aren't coming up with legitimate answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    The climate has been fluctuating long before man existed and will continue to once man is gone, so-called climate change is just a money making scam. Oh and I don't believe in unicorns either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    I don't want you to follow me, just send me a large percentage of your net worth! I'll use the money to fix everything...as soon as I finish paying for my new jet.
    Didn’t I see you on TBN?
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    I believe that man needs to be a good steward to the planet.
    I practice leave no trace principles in the outdoors.
    I try not to waste natural resources.
    I do not want to go back to living in the Stone Age.
    I do not think that man is important enough to Mother Nature to destabilize her on a global level.
    As far as man made climate change, just follow the money.
    That will tell y’all what it is all about

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    The reason this HOAX is no longer called ""GLOBAL WARMING""????. Because when the climate has stayed the same, when the seas have NOT started to rise and inundate coastal cities, when entire continents have record cold summers, etc, the term "global warming simply can't be used.. now, "CLIMATE CHANGE" is different.. You can explain everything and anything with that phrase..

    Floods?=Climate Change
    Drought?-Climate Change
    fires? CC
    Snow? CC
    Rain CC
    Hot CC
    Cold CC... anything at all can be attributed to climate change, but can't be to global warming.. its really that simple... bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by KILTED COWBOY View Post
    I believe that man needs to be a good steward to the planet.
    I practice leave no trace principles in the outdoors.
    I try not to waste natural resources.
    I do not want to go back to living in the Stone Age.
    I do not think that man is important enough to Mother Nature to destabilize her on a global level.
    As far as man made climate change, just follow the money.
    That will tell y’all what it is all about
    Well put, but whose money? The petroleum industry might have a reason to discredit the theory but then again the windmill cartel really wants to make this believed by all!
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    As was mentioned in the first post, many people are confusing polluting, and the effects that has, as climate change. Which, it does not. It negatively impacts the local region. With that aspect in mind, when you look at the US now, and the US when I was a child in the mid-80s you will see a remarkable change in the local weather for much of the US. Acid rain was once an issue, and changing how we handle discharge from mostly coal burning sources, we eliminated that problem.

    Granted, that was not a climate issue that impacted the normal cycle of heating/cooling as far as I know. It just made the rain sting and killed off fish in smaller bodies of water.

    Take pollution out of the equation, and I have not been presented with any credible evidence we impact the natural cycle. All of the people claiming we do have made predictions that have failed to happen. Had they been right when I was a child, most of Florida would now be underwater. Bad prediction after bad prediction has made me stop believing the climate criers. That along with other fellow scientists who have pointed out the grievous issues with the models used by the climate criers. Bad/fake date, and omitted data are common problems with the scientists who fail to use the basics of their "profession" if you can call them scientists at all now.
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    Man made climate change - no.

    However, that doesn't mean that we have not contributed to it. To what level, I have no idea, but I am sure that we have contributed to it a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BHC View Post
    Certainly not a liberal but physics is physics where or not you choose to believe or not. I'm not certain how man can pump 36.8 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide into the air (in 2019) and not have a negative effect. The 2 questions that I have are....How much does man's activities effect global temperatures? What other natural changes contribute to rising temps (earth's crust rising temp)?
    CO2 is a minor constituent of the atmosphere, roughly 400 ppm. There are other constituents that have a far greater impact than CO2, water vapor and methane being among them.

    The warmists have been monkeying with the historical data, lowering the higher temps in the 30s (hottest decade) to make the current decades seem hottest, in order to scare you.

    The warmists have abandoned the scientific method, and work assiduously to attack and minimize and even ridicule dissenting scientific opinion.

    The climate models have so many variables that they can't really produce a predictive output without nonsensically wide error bands. And, they don't have data for all of the inputs anyway. So, they make assumptions, so many of which the assumptions drive the output predictions. This is why all of the major predictions about "global warming" were so embarrassingly in error (disasters that never, ever happened).

    I, as do you, think that physics is an important subject. (I'm a scientist) But far from being a law (such as Newton's laws of motion, for example), global warming/climate change is poorly supported and does not even qualify as a theory. In fact, it's not even enough to be an hypothesis. (I suspect that it's the "big con".

    For your reading pleasure, my friend, I recommend Brian Sussman's book, Climategate.


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    Of course the Earth warms and cools & its cyclical.

    How did the last 6 ice ages begin and end before humans were any influence at all on the climate?

    The Earth cooled down and warmed up again all by itself.
    I think that mankind has done much more pressing damage to the global environment than any alterations to the weather.

    And we are probably entering into a global cooling cycle anyway.

    Which will have shorter instances of bizarre and seemingly unnatural warmer temperatures because...it's the doggone weather and it's often fickle...like the weather has historically always been.

    The U.S. has actually cleaned up its act to an amazing degree.
    At this point in time NOTHING is going to stop China and India from being the dominant world polluters. That is just the way it is.
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    Sea/Ocean levels rose dramatically thousands of years ago.
    Which is WHY ancient coastal cities, ports, roads, temples, etc are now underwater worldwide.
    Methane is profoundly more of a "greenhouse gas " than Carbon Dioxide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    ...we are probably entering into a global cooling cycle anyway...
    Hmmm...

    I believe that it's actually a warming cycle.
    We're coming down from a "little ice age." I think that it began in the 1400s.
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    I do believe that there are genuine problems that need to be addressed.

    Kaput nuclear power plants in Japan where radioactive contamination has now reached the U.S. Huge Problem that has been seriously downplayed and under reported.

    We do need a short term moratorium on over fishing our oceans in order to allow marine life to catch up.

    I'd be pretty concerned about the many thousands of 55 gallon drums of highly toxic waste that Russia dumped into the oceans that haven't ruptured open yet.

    Clear cutting vast areas of rain forest would be a real concern if anybody is really wanting to do anything about CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
    And we should not be wiping out entire species of exotic plants when we are not aware of their potential medicinal properties yet.

    We need more "food crop" diversification for obvious reasons.

    The planet is seriously lacking in pharmaceutical companies doing research and development on new antibiotics...because there is just not any profit to be made on any medications that are only used short term.

    I could write an entire list but, you folks get the general idea.
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    Man-made climate change huh? Hmm. You mean; "High Frequency Active Auroral Program" (HAARP)?

    https://www.wanttoknow.info/war/haar...arfare_weapons

    Per article:

    "The HAARP project website acknowledged that experiments were conducted which used electromagnetic frequencies to fire pulsed, directed energy beams in order to "temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere." Some scientists state that purposefully disturbing this sensitive layer could have major and even disastrous consequences. Concerned HAARP researchers like Dr. Michel Chossudovsky of the University of Ottawa and Alaska's Dr. Nick Begich (son of a US Congressman) present evidence suggesting that these disturbances can even be used to trigger earthquakes, affect hurricanes, and for weather control."
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