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This is a discussion on How to stop tyranny within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by jmf552 I sent my kids to private, religious schools, which cost almost more than we could afford. But it paid off in ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    I sent my kids to private, religious schools, which cost almost more than we could afford. But it paid off in the long run. They both went on to get doctorates and the grad schools were all on their own nickels.

    But the point of the story is that I sat at a father/daughter dinner/dance with a dad who was the principal of one of the highest rated public high schools in our area. I asked him why he sent his daughter to a private school. He said words to the effect that a student who wants to learn could get as good, or better, education at his public high school. They had better facilities and better qualified, higher paid teachers. The problem is that if a student doesn't want to learn, they can't be forced to. They can coast and get away with it. At the private school our daughters went to, they don't let the students off the hook. They perform or they get called out on it and are put under pressure to do better. And if they still fail, they are out, cut off from all their friends.

    Also, at the private religious schools they have to learn values. The students may not internalize those values, but they will be in there somewhere as they grow up. It is worth noting that private religious school had students that were not of that religion. I know we had some Jewish and Hindi students. I think those parents recognized that factor.
    That is very true. It is also historical. Most colleges and universities were established by major religious organizations. Take Harvard, for instance...

    Harvard University is a private Ivy League research university in Cambridge, Massachusetts, with about 6,800 undergraduate students and about 14,000 postgraduate students. Established in 1636 and named for its first benefactor, clergyman John Harvard, Harvard is the United States' oldest institution of higher learning and one of the most prestigious in the world.

    The Massachusetts Great and General Court authorized Harvard's founding. In its early years, Harvard College primarily trained Congregational and Unitarian clergy, although it has never been formally affiliated with any denomination.

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    I'm quite certain the founder, were he alive today, would forswear any knowledge of the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    jmf552, I was a Jewish kid in a Catholic high school. It was my decision to go there because the education was better than what was available in Los Angeles schools in the 60s.
    I was very fortunate to have gone to public schools in a small city in Virginia (Falls Church) in the 1950's and 60's. I received a superb education in both my primary school years and my junior and senior high school years, terminating in 1964. I had excellent teachers and in my two schools (my high school was a Jr. Sr. high school) you really learned things.

    I think the loss of basic communication skills, written and spoken, is a travesty and a dark scar on our national school systems. There is really no excuse for this. A well-rounded basic education is a gift. It saddens me to see the deer-in-the-headlights look on so many people when I ask simple questions, such as "What happened on December 7, 1941" or "Tell me the years in which the Crusades were active". You'd be amaze how many adults are clueless about the basics.
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    Speaking of knowing history...those are British planes with British markings...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimGunn View Post
    My niece is a school teacher in Cali. They can't teach history due to the violence the US perpetrated. Look at the bad things and the cruelty we did in WWII to the Japanese (Forget Pearl Harbor).

    And don't get her started on all the babies we killed in Viet Nam. They just can't introduce the children to this.

    So they tame it down, but just a little. The basic facts are there. BS
    ...and never mind that she can take part in planned parenthood...um, mean to say that she can take part in GIRL SCOUTS, a group that sells cookies and gives money to SUPPORT PLANNED PARENTHOOD!!! 😡

    Oh yes, the thin mints are officially banned at our home, anything Girl or Boy Scouts are on the boycott list due to the changes made in the past 10 + years.


    for obviously reasons I won’t get started there either. It’s maddening how everything is upside down. End times stuff if you ask me but that’s just a personal opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    jmf552, I was a Jewish kid in a Catholic high school. It was my decision to go there because the education was better than what was available in Los Angeles schools in the 60s.
    As a child, I was a Seventh-Day Adventist going to a SDA church school. They got to beat us too like the Catholic school teachers did from what I’ve been told by friends that went to the catholic schools. I did learn the Bible, and that is good. Reckon I don’t need to be re-taught history cause back then, from what all I can remember all they taught us was the Bible?! [on a personal note, I’m pure Southern Baptist now AND can catch snakes so also valuable as a pentecostal!!)
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    Not sure if all private schools are “good”, that would depend on if you want you kid to learn what the liberals want to tell them, or whatever the church believes tell them? Both could be wrong if chosen poorly.
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    At the college level, it is the Humanities that teaches the 'how' and 'why' to write. Ironically, if we look at some of the curriculum proposals of pre-college education from the 1800's to the 1940's, the focus was on citizenry and the core components of what our society desired in it's People. Humanities did include the STEM basics while also including the focus on the body, mind and spirit. The 1970's started trends that may have been over enthusiastically embraced without a care for balance. They simply tossed anything prior with the result that colleges and universities have a focus on vocational output.

    Vocations such as Medicine, Law, Engineering, and such. all at the undergrad level. Without the base Humanities, you get what we have today - People who cannot write, cannot understand what is read, and cannot appreciate anything but their own juvenile thoughts.


    Here's a key example - This thread is titled 'How to Stop Tyranny'. History teaches us that the optimal method is revolution. Unlike some of the comments that are focused on 'How to prevent Tyranny from taking hold'. See the difference? 1) Read, 2) Think, 3) Add to the discussion.
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    @Sister private or public, it matters not. Some schools are good, some are bad, and many are in the middle. People need to check things out for themselves.

    I will say that the public schools tend to be bad in the larger urban areas. I have seen that firsthand, and the data shows that to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFury View Post
    @Sister private or public, it matters not. Some schools are good, some are bad, and many are in the middle. People need to check things out for themselves.

    I will say that the public schools tend to be bad in the larger urban areas. I have seen that firsthand, and the data shows that to be true.
    Your logos was solid right up until all ethos is killed with the closing phrase "the data shows that to be true".

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    I'm not certain what you are saying @frgood . However, decades of data prove that the vast majority of inner city schools are failing. The reasons are varied, but the end result speaks for itself.

    I've seen firsthand the corruption and distribution of resources done inequitably exacerbating things. Not where I work, but in Milwaukee. The corruption that has dominated that city for decades combined with broken families has left the poorer communities in shambles. The kids can barely read or write much less do math in high school. The disincentives are so strong that getting the young people to work towards being better is an almost insurmountable task. Chicago, Indianapolis, Baltimore, and Phoenix are all other major cities I've been in. They all have the same ghettos that are in different states of dis-repair. The ghettos compromise people of three of the four major ethnicities from what I have personally witnessed. White, black, and hispanic. I'm certain that there are asian inner city ghettos, but I have not personally seen them.
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    I simply said that your first sentence was spot on and I agree.

    I then said your last sentence regarding data I disagree.

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    My daughter learned history from me and her grandfather. Nothing like hearing first-hand accounts of atrocities committed by Japs and Charlie to leave a lasting impression.
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    Heck just teach World History factually without political/ideologies intruding. The world has always been a dangerous place and only the U.S.of A. has ever enjoyed this level of freedoms. But from the very beginning they have been gradually eroded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Speaking of knowing history...those are British planes with British markings...
    The kid is reading up on the Eagle Squadron.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Speaking of knowing history...those are British planes with British markings...
    You, sir, win the internet for the day!
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    Being younger than many of you, I can say that my education in US History during the 80's and 90's was most comprehensive and legitimate. It seems things have gotten worse recently, at least with regard to depth of coverage, and overemphasis on recent events.
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