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    Aaaannndddd we're up to 95.4%
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildRose View Post
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    Probably the most common prelude to a fast exit. A serious challenge to the double-dog dare and "Hey, watch this!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Probably the most common prelude to a fast exit. A serious challenge to the double-dog dare and "Hey, watch this!"
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    All of this could have been avoided if you'd all just accepted that he was right and left it at that
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    It feels good to be right....even when you're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glocktard78 View Post
    For open carry, in my own head I think ya need at the very least a Serpa-type option. It won't stop nobody who knows holsters, but it'll delay em a second. For everybody else out there tryin to grab, it'll prevent a quick rippin out of your gun and runnin off with it. Thumb break will work too, I just think it might be a tad easy to break off with enough force applied.
    Curious about this possibility, I wrapped my rig around a solid beam in my parents' basement and hung by my firearm, supported only by the thumb brake, to the tune of about 230 lbs.

    It held, and still flips off with just slight thumb pressure, same as before my test.

    Pretty amazing, those uni-directional buttons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Curious about this possibility, I wrapped my rig around a solid beam in my parents' basement and hung by my firearm, supported only by the thumb brake, to the tune of about 230 lbs.

    It held, and still flips off with just slight thumb pressure, same as before my test.

    Pretty amazing, those uni-directional buttons.
    Any retention device can be defeated by a determined adversary, ccw or open carry. There is more to being secure from a gun snatch than some holster device. A retention device is great, but the wearer must be an active participant. The first part of being such an active participant is to accept that it can happen to you. I commend your own attempt at proving your device, but absent a human factor it has nothing to do with someone trying to take a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Spuk View Post
    Any retention device can be defeated by a determined adversary, ccw or open carry. There is more to being secure from a gun snatch than some holster device. A retention device is great, but the wearer must be an active participant. The first part of being such an active participant is to accept that it can happen to you. I commend your own attempt at proving your device, but absent a human factor it has nothing to do with someone trying to take a gun.
    Absolutely a retention holster is only a middle element in the line of defenses involved in retention:
    1. Situational awareness (training and experience)
    2. Passive retention (built into the holster)
    3. Active retention (training and experience)

    That's by no means a complete list, either. Other factors include steering clear of high-risk areas when you can and safety in numbers when you can't. Avoidance and mitigation are two of the five areas of Risk Management.

    Most people new to OC are weak in all three, unless they listened to the advice of a friend or salesman and bought a good retention holster.

    Over time, they'll get better at being situationally aware and what to do in response to what they observe in order to minimize risk.

    But only training with someone smart in defensive techniques is going to help them with active retention.

    My point by hanging on it was to counter the claim that a button snap style of thumb break can be overcome "if you just pull or tug on it hard enough." If it's a standard button, then yes. But quality thumb breaks are built using uni-direction buttons. They'll easily unsnap if you pull in one direction but are very difficult to unsnap by tugging on the load.
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