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Pushing a Cart in Walmart with an AR-15 and a Pistol while Talking on a Cell Phone

This is a discussion on Pushing a Cart in Walmart with an AR-15 and a Pistol while Talking on a Cell Phone within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by mcp1810 And the difference is? Are not those that grocery shop with a rifle at sling arms exposing themselves to young impressionable ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    And the difference is?
    Are not those that grocery shop with a rifle at sling arms exposing themselves to young impressionable kids? Are they not being held out by some as positive role models? Does that not bother a lot of people?
    No they are not, they might get passed by a family, but that's about it. The little kids I'm referring to were forced to sit for an hour within feet of the drag queens listening to perverted stories, and then had their parents tell them it was normal

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddrew View Post
    No they are not, they might get passed by a family, but that's about it. The little kids I'm referring to were forced to sit for an hour within feet of the drag queens listening to perverted stories, and then had their parents tell them it was normal
    Sounds like their parents are brainwashing them. That is the real issue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddrew View Post

    No they are not, they might get passed by a family, but that's about it. The little kids I'm referring to were forced to sit for an hour within feet of the drag queens listening to perverted stories, and then had their parents tell them it was normal
    No different from the little kids dragged to the grocery store by their parents and forced ride around in a cart.
    In each case some kids enjoy it, some kids don't. In each case some people think they are being forced to observe deviant behavior and some think it is perfectly normal. In each case we have a group attempting to represent their views and values as being "normal" and there are people that disagree with them doing it.
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    Getting back on topic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Talldog View Post
    What needs to be remembered is that at the end of the day, our rights are whatever the government and/or 5 members of the Supreme Court say they are. Like it or not, that is just a fact. Turning public opinion against us with stunts like this doesn't seem like a great idea.
    I strongly disagree, for two reasons, both of which are found in antiquity but both of which have steeped themselves throughout our present legal framework.

    1. Declaration of Independence mentions the word "right" 10 times, and defines it in this context:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

    2. Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address: "We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

    Therefore, in response to your statement, "our rights are whatever the government and/or 5 members of the Supreme Court say they are," I say, "NOPE."

    Our rights are what our Creator says they are. Our rights are unalienable, meaning those rights continue to exist regardless of how badly "the government and/or 5 members of the Supreme Court" VIOLATE them. Our rights include, but are not limited to "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    In fact, one of the inalienable rights "of the People (is) to alter or to abolish" "any Form of Government (that) becomes destructive of these ends."

    The President isn't "the government." Congress isn't "the government." The Supreme Court isn't "the government."

    Ours is a "government of the people, by the people, for the people."

    We the People are the government.

    The concept that the ultimate head of our government is not vested in any office, but rather in We the People, under God himself, is radically different than most governments until modern times, and even to this day.

    If for any reason a simple majority of We the People electoral/senatorial/representative district decided everyone was corrupt, we could replace each and every member of two of our three branches of government in less than six years. No matter where they are in their terms, we could replace ALL Congressional Representatives and a third of all Senators in two years or less, the President and two-thirds of all Senators in four years or less, and the remainder of all Senators in six years or less. Getting rid of a corrupt U.S. Supreme Court would be a bit more problematic, but if we wanted to pass an amendment at 4 years, we could, and that would suffice.

    "Like it or not, that is just a fact."

    I, for one, will never cede my authority as a United States Citizen to those whom I choose to handle government affairs, and I seriously hope you don't, either!

    Now, onto your other comment: "Turning public opinion against us with stunts like this doesn't seem like a great idea."

    The moment you call them "stunts" you clearly side with those who routinely infringe on the free exercise of our right to keep and bear arms.

    Let's take another look at this. Which statement is correct?

    A) The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    B) The right of the people to keep and conceal arms shall not be infringed.

    C) The right of the people to keep and bear arms in a concealed manner shall not be infringed.

    D) The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed unless those arms are visible.

    E) The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed except when carried openly.

    Score yourself! The correct answer is A.

    By all means, let me know how you scored.

    Here's another quiz:

    When you observe a shopper in your store bearing arms, the correct response is to:

    A) Observe them as you feel necessary, but do not respond unless they actually break a law.

    B) Freak out like a blithering idiot, pull the fire alarm and call the police as if you'd never even heart of the U.S. Constitution and its Amendments.
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