OC activists in Texas are testing Walmarts resolve

OC activists in Texas are testing Walmarts resolve

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    OC activists in Texas are testing Walmarts resolve

    I do not OC however I do support OC where it is accepted, legal and appropriate. But I'm not certain these guys are doing any favors to the larger issue of gun rights by forcing the issue and continuing to poke the bear. These things usually have repercussions down the line.

    "David Amad, the vice president of Open Carry Texas, told The New York Times the 38,000 members of his group have openly carried their guns inside Walmart stores since the retailer announced last week it is “respectfully requesting” customers to no longer openly bring guns into its stores.

    He said none of the members who have done so have been asked to leave.

    “They are ducking the issue,” Amad told the Times. “They are trying to get the gun haters to leave them alone, while at the same time leave us alone when we carry in their stores.”"


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    My wife and I occasionally shop at Wally World, and I OC’d there many times in the past. The next time we are there I will be OC’ing while holding hands with my wife as we shop. They are welcome to ask me to not OC, and I will simply reply “thank you for asking, however I choose to continue as-is.” At that point if we are asked to leave we will comply, but not before stating that we will not return and that our large circle of like-minded friends will be informed of the store’s policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJK View Post
    My wife and I occasionally shop at Wally World, and I OC’d there many rimes in the past. The next time we are there I will be OC’ing while holding hands with my wife as we shop. They are welcome to ask me to not OC, and I will simply reply “thank you for asking, however I choose to continue as-is.” At that point if we are asked to leave we will comply, but not before stating that we will not return and that our large circle of like-minded friends will be informed of the store’s policy.
    I think that is a reasonable approach
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    For other reasons, I despise Walmart.

    Primary reason is something we went through about 20 years ago.....

    Cashiers do NOT check ID when credit cards are used for purchases. Walmart's around the country are a haven for credit card fraud and they know it.

    We have 4 local Walmarts. Local LEO explained to me how this works. Someone steals a purse, gets the credit card, and goes directly to Walmart and buys gift cards and expensive "returnable" items. The perps know the card most likely want stay active for very long, so they get as much as they can as fast as they can, and gift cards are the most popular item. Thieves openly purchase $500's worth of cards and stuff and no one says a thing.

    Walmart however, does nothing to enforce that their cashiers check ID when credit cards are used, especially in circumstances where the purchases are questionable. If they just took the time to train employees and monitored the transactions it would do a lot in the long run. But Walmarts instead focus on their secret shopper looking for people shoplifting nickle and dime items instead.

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    How many Walmarts are actually posted as no open-carry? If they want the backing of the law, they need to post their locations as such. Same with the other stores who "request" verbally that don't want open carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotBrass45 View Post
    I do not OC however I do support OC where it is accepted, legal and appropriate. But I'm not certain these guys are doing any favors to the larger issue of gun rights by forcing the issue and continuing to poke the bear. These things usually have repercussions down the line.

    "David Amad, the vice president of Open Carry Texas, told The New York Times the 38,000 members of his group have openly carried their guns inside Walmart stores since the retailer announced last week it is “respectfully requesting” customers to no longer openly bring guns into its stores.

    He said none of the members who have done so have been asked to leave.

    “They are ducking the issue,” Amad told the Times. “They are trying to get the gun haters to leave them alone, while at the same time leave us alone when we carry in their stores.”"


    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/46...uns-into-store
    It should be remembered that in spite of all the "blood running in the streets" dire warnings from the anti-gun mob, and the sneering, cursing, and snickering from a great many licensed concealed carriers and their "organizations", that Texas did, indeed, make open carry legal. As much derision as was heaped on OCT, in the end theirs was the political strength that carried the day.

    Texas' 30.06 and 30.07 signage requirements are very clear, as is the fact that Walmart personnel must issue a verbal warning to every person entering their stores for the verbal warning clause to work. Just saying "we don't allow open carry in our stores" is not really going to meet the legal requirements.

    I think it is exactly as was said above. This is attempting to placate the antis. If they get serious about it and do the legal posting thing, their sales are definitely going to tank - especially in Texas.

    Just for the record. Walmart is one of the places where my family faces the greatest risk in shopping. Why? Because Walmart has a long, long history of NOT prosecuting criminal activity that takes place on their premises. I remember our patrol units responding to multiple calls on the same day from Walmart loss prevention and without exception, they refused to press charges every time. One of our senior detective Sgts. asked a manager if Walmart would like us to provide an armed escort to everyone who committed a crime on Walmart property to protect them from the legally armed shoppers.
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    Report: Here Are 54 Anti-Gun Companies That Don?t Deserve Your Business ? Concealed Nation

    I've been to a lot of these businesses within the last couple of years but I've never seen any gun buster signs for the ones that I've been to. There's a mall nearby that shows up as a prohibited place on my smartphone app but there's no gun buster signs on any of the doors or entrance ways.
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    That list is absolutely stupid. I'll shop and/or go to any of those places without thinking twice about it. Those are some of my favorite stores, I WILL watch CBS, eat a meal at Outback, watch CNN occasionally, go to the movies (Regal) if I want to, watch NFL football, etc. etc. etc.

    This "those bad anti-gun people/places," "US VS. THEM" mania by pro gun supporters has gotten completely out of hand. Any of you want to cut all the companies on this list from your reality? Go for it.
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    Just my opinion but it looks to me like the Pro gun people have been baited here.
    The only thing that can come from open carrying despite a companies request for you not to do so....
    Is bad press....And yes i support open carry.

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    Instead of posting the properties they could just have their greeters personally inform each person they see carrying as they enter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavygravy View Post
    That list is absolutely stupid. I'll shop and/or go to any of those places without thinking twice about it. Those are some of my favorite stores, I WILL watch CBS, eat a meal at Outback, watch CNN occasionally, go to the movies (Regal) if I want to, watch NFL football, etc. etc. etc.

    This "those bad anti-gun people/places," "US VS. THEM" mania by pro gun supporters has gotten completely out of hand. Any of you want to cut all the companies on this list from your reality? Go for it.
    That's the problem. What would we do if all businesses took an anti-gun stance? Until they put up gun buster signs I'll consider their business (if I can't get equivalent services elsewhere).

    I've been shopping elsewhere but I look for bargains more often. I can't get my wife away from WalMart though. Wish she had a drivers license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NECCdude View Post
    That's the problem. What would we do if all businesses took an anti-gun stance? Until they put up gun buster signs I'll consider their business (if I can't get equivalent services elsewhere).

    I've been shopping elsewhere but I look for bargains more often. I can't get my wife away from WalMart though. Wish she had a drivers license.
    I was kind of with him until he brought up CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornhusker95 View Post
    I was kind of with him until he brought up CNN
    I don't watch CNN often, I promise!
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    OC activists in Texas are going to get Walmart to completely ban guns from their stores.

    FIFY
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    OC activists in Texas are going to get Walmart to completely ban guns from their stores.

    FIFY
    Quite possibly.
    What it may come down to is a simple cost benefit analysis by the board. What will it cost them to ban guns vs what will it cost them to not? If people continue to poke the bear and keep guns in Wal-Mart in the headlines are they going to scare off enough snowflakes and soccer moms that it is cheaper to take the hard line stand and lose the militant gun carriers as customers?
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