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Progress in Lawsuit by Newtown Families

This is a discussion on Progress in Lawsuit by Newtown Families within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by deadguy SCOTUS just ruled that lawsuit against Remington can move forward https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wire...rward-66938044 So much for the pro-2A fiction of the current Supreme ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadguy View Post
    SCOTUS just ruled that lawsuit against Remington can move forward

    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wire...rward-66938044
    So much for the pro-2A fiction of the current Supreme Court.
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    This is how they plan on getting around the second amendment.
    Stop banks from doing business with gun manufacturers.
    Lawsuits to bankrupt them.
    Sure you can have your gun except no one is making them anymore.
    Sure they will go after the ammo manufacturers next
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadguy View Post
    SCOTUS just ruled that lawsuit against Remington can move forward

    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wire...rward-66938044
    Oh-oh.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmckinnon View Post
    We forgot you did that.
    Forgot what?

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    Since the SCOTUS seems so inclined to hold manufacturers liable for what bad people do with their products, maybe it is time to convince the ambulance chasers that now is the time to go after all the automotive manufacturers. Their products regularly run absolutely amuck and kill tens of thousands - and they have deep, deep pockets.

    I see a great deal of money to be made. (A vital selling point to enlist ambulance chasers)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    Since the SCOTUS seems so inclined to hold manufacturers liable for what bad people do with their products, maybe it is time to convince the ambulance chasers that now is the time to go after all the automotive manufacturers. Their products regularly run absolutely amuck and kill tens of thousands - and they have deep, deep pockets.

    I see a great deal of money to be made. (A vital selling point to enlist ambulance chasers)
    The biggest difference is that Moms Demand Something and the rest of the far left like cars. Judges like cars. Juries like cars. Lawyers like cars. Prosecutors like cars. Voters in general like cars. They don't want to put the auto industry out of business.

    The firearms industry is like Big Tobacco, Big Pharma and those other industries that people love to hate.
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    Pure speculation here on my part, but a couple of things come to mind.

    Lawsuit moves forward, and Rmeington decides to take it to a trial vs a settlement. Newton wins, Remington appeals, possibly all the way to Supreme Court, again, and the case is heard and a ruling made one way or the other...or are we actually at that point now?

    If today's ruling was indeed the last step in the process outlined above, we may see AR manufacturers ceasing production out of liability concerns. Or, they do what Colt has done (although for different reasons), and stop sales to general public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    The biggest difference is that Moms Demand Something and the rest of the far left like cars. Judges like cars. Juries like cars. Lawyers like cars. Prosecutors like cars. Voters in general like cars.
    And, of course, they all "need" their cars, unlike ARs that no one needs.
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    I have to believe that people are being facetious when they suggest motor vehicles and firearms are comparable relative to the need for similar pervasive regulations regarding public safety.

    Yes, vehicles are involved in over 30,000 fatal incidents per year but automobiles are not designed or intended for the primary purpose of killing, among other things, people. Guns are also involved in over 30,000 fatal incidents per year and they are primarily designed and intended to kill, among other things, people.

    Since 1966, under the auspices of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act, the federal government has instituted countless regulations that have lead to safer cars and trucks on the highway. In the same time period, guns have not become appreciably "safer" or "less lethal".

    It may sound good at a barbecue with a group of like minded friends to argue that motor vehicles (knives, baseball bats, crowbars, screwdrivers, scissors etc. etc. etc.) should be confiscated if guns are targeted for severe restrictions but that type of argument will be chuckled out of a courtroom. Too date the most successful defenses protecting the rights of gun owners, manufacturers, and suppliers have been forged around the language and intent of the 2nd amendment.

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    A little more info. Case is indeed now going to trial in Connecticut. There's still hope that this could either be ruled in favor of Remington in lower courts, or appealed all the way back up to SCOTUS, and a favorable decision handed down for Remington.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supr...ry?id=66938614
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    The firearms industry is like Big Tobacco, Big Pharma and those other industries that people love to hate.
    There is convincing evidence that tobacco and alcohol, even when used as intended by the manufacturers, have severe adverse health affects. This puts them into a very unique category of goods produced and marketed in the United States. The ill effects are so evident that the federal government banned alcohol through a (failed) constitutional amendment and drove the tobacco industry to the brink of bancrupcy through the imposition of damage awards payable, largely, to government entities. Today, the liquor industry and the tobacco industry coast along contentedly while guns are singled out as the threat that needs to be removed from the American landscape.

    Revenue comparisons suggest a possible explanation. In 2017 the sale of guns and ammunition contributed about $750 Million to the US Treasury through direct taxes. In the same year, sales on alcohol contributed approximate $9.9 Billion and Tobacco sales contributed approximately $12.86 Billion. No matter how much harm accrues to the public from alcohol and tobacco, their sale, based on tax revenue, will not be significantly infringed let alone prohibited.

    With guns, the mission is clear. Drive sales to the brink of extinction through punitive lawsuits resulting in damage awards paid to the government followed by a new normal that imposes substantial increased taxes on the sale of firearms, ammunition and accessories. A compromise for the gun-nuts and the haters with big government as the only clear winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedishsteel View Post
    I have to believe that people are being facetious when they suggest motor vehicles and firearms are comparable relative to the need for similar pervasive regulations regarding public safety.

    Yes, vehicles are involved in over 30,000 fatal incidents per year but automobiles are not designed or intended for the primary purpose of killing, among other things, people. Guns are also involved in over 30,000 fatal incidents per year and they are primarily designed and intended to kill, among other things, people.

    Since 1966, under the auspices of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act, the federal government has instituted countless regulations that have lead to safer cars and trucks on the highway. In the same time period, guns have not become appreciably "safer" or "less lethal".

    It may sound good at a barbecue with a group of like minded friends to argue that motor vehicles (knives, baseball bats, crowbars, screwdrivers, scissors etc. etc. etc.) should be confiscated if guns are targeted for severe restrictions but that type of argument will be chuckled out of a courtroom. Too date the most successful defenses protecting the rights of gun owners, manufacturers, and suppliers have been forged around the language and intent of the 2nd amendment.
    That's deceptive thinking. Firearms launch projectiles. That's their job. Killing isn't part of the design any more that it is for knife manufacturers or hammer manufacturers. Knives are designed to cut through things efficiently, whether it's cardboard or flesh. Cars are designed to go forward fast when you use the pedal on the right. Cars are also not inherently useful for self defense the way a firearm is. So no, killing the maximum number of children in a school isn't part of the firearm design criteria.
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    Aside from safety concerns, the 2A is the 2A and there is a reason for it. Then there is the issue of firearms manufacturers stopping production. Until a ruling is made it should be business as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedishsteel View Post
    I have to believe that people are being facetious when they suggest motor vehicles and firearms are comparable relative to the need for similar pervasive regulations regarding public safety.

    Yes, vehicles are involved in over 30,000 fatal incidents per year but automobiles are not designed or intended for the primary purpose of killing, among other things, people. Guns are also involved in over 30,000 fatal incidents per year and they are primarily designed and intended to kill, among other things, people.

    Since 1966, under the auspices of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act, the federal government has instituted countless regulations that have lead to safer cars and trucks on the highway. In the same time period, guns have not become appreciably "safer" or "less lethal".

    It may sound good at a barbecue with a group of like minded friends to argue that motor vehicles (knives, baseball bats, crowbars, screwdrivers, scissors etc. etc. etc.) should be confiscated if guns are targeted for severe restrictions but that type of argument will be chuckled out of a courtroom. Too date the most successful defenses protecting the rights of gun owners, manufacturers, and suppliers have been forged around the language and intent of the 2nd amendment.

    Laughed out of court? This will set a precedent that manufacturers will be held responsible for what people do with items they sell. Even if that act is illegal.
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