This is a discussion on Where do LEOs and Military Members stand? With American people or w/ Politicians? within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by AnthonyC Fair enough. Good to know oaths are meaningless then. I wonder if those same military members and LEOs would have a ...
Over the next several years the American Revolution evolved. As stated earlier, no more than 2% of the population were actively engaged at any time. Public support was minimal, with at least half of the population continuing to support the colonial administration under King George. Citizen-soldiers typically enlisted in local or state militia units for periods of 3 to 6 months, returning to their homes for necessary work in planting, harvesting, etc. A hard-core resistance movement existed in many areas of the American colonies, and terroristic acts were not uncommon. More than a few "Tories" (supporters of British rule) left for Canada. Business establishments that continued to provide sustenance or supplies to British forces were frequently attacked or burned out. At the risk of sounding critical of American patriots of the period, I must observe that a great deal of thuggish and criminal behavior accompanied the American revolt.
I would not like to see a repeat of the American revolutionary experience. Our population has become deeply divided in many ways, and one can expect that insurrectionary activity would fuel many fires, some of which could easily grow out of control. I would much prefer that any effort to subvert our Constitution be met with widespread peaceful civil disobedience, forcing the powers that be to either back down or publicly acknowledge their evil intent.
Along the same lines, I have made it clear over the years in dealing with my congress critters that anytime they want to pick up all the guns and ammunition they can just stop by the house, and I will give them the ammunition first. Haven't had any takers yet, and I doubt that the "exalted leader" class will do any of the dirty work themselves; they will hire it done by young thugs willing to do whatever it takes to gain favor with the regime.
I could go on for pages and pages, but I think I have made my points here.
Once upon a time when I asked an ole, gun shootin', gun game playin', buddy of mine who happened to be an Arkansas State police officer what he'd do when his superiors told him to confiscate my guns what he'd do he told me he'd come take them.
Haven't had much use for cops ever since. YMMV!
We get the government we deserve.
@retired badge 1 I always say 1776 because I fear a great many Americans have never been taught about the Revolutionary War in the public indoctrination camps.
I agree with everything you're saying...except for this:
Based on my observations of politicians over the last 7 decades and 2 centuries, that belief that politicians, who seek power and wealth at public expense, will ever relinquish it once they make a desperation move like openly subverting the Constitution, went out a long time ago. There is much too much arrogant ego today. There are some honorable politicians, but they are getting few and far between. JMHO.I would not like to see a repeat of the American revolutionary experience. Our population has become deeply divided in many ways, and one can expect that insurrectionary activity would fuel many fires, some of which could easily grow out of control. I would much prefer that any effort to subvert our Constitution be met with widespread peaceful civil disobedience, forcing the powers that be to either back down or publicly acknowledge their evil intent.
And yes, an open "hot" civil war would be a major catastrophe. I owe it to my kids, grandkids, and great grandkids to do everything in my power to prevent such a thing. Not on our watch.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits."
Questioning the legality of the Boston PD and FBI doesn't seem to have prevented them from doing as they did. No warrants, no other authority, yet they behaved as they did.
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I view the growing number of "red flag" laws as little more than a small scale siezeure scheme of lawfully owned civilian firearms. The answer to the question posed by the op is playing out right now, and it's not the one I hopped to see.
"Some people go to bed with Lucifer..........then cry, cry, cry when they don't greet the day with God."
That is true. I believe it to be the result of several things, including the liberal mind-washing that says the state is allowed to do what it wants. You find that kind of thinking much more in the northeast of the country, along with the left coast. However, classes such as Civics have been thrown out the window and replaced with more PC courses across the country, so that kind of thinking is growing. At this point, however, I think there are still enough military personnel and cops who take their oaths seriously that the enforcement of those kind of laws will not be a nation-wide normality....at least yet.Questioning the legality of the Boston PD and FBI doesn't seem to have prevented them from doing as they did. No warrants, no other authority, yet they behaved as they did.
And just for clarity, it wasn't just Boston PD and FBI that were involved in the search. Mass. State police; Suffolk County Sheriffs officers, Middlesex County sheriffs officers, atf, Watertown PD, Arlington PD and a few other dept's assisting.
Exigency existed in this case which allowed them to search door to door for the remaining terrorist brother. NO lawsuits have been successfully adjudicated against any of the above regarding their action that day/night in several communities. What's that tell YOU? I know what it tells me, whether you agree with their actions or not.
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