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    This is all terrible news. Hate to hear it.

    Yall do what works for you, Im going to God and ask Him to fix it this is too big for Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    Universal background checks and red flag laws will likely pass through Congress and be signed by the President.
    And yet so many will go out and vote for the same people in the next election.
    We get the government we deserve.

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    If Trump signs it, which he might, I think he will lose his base and lose the election in 2020. He's gotta know that.

    UBCs and Red Flag will lead to selective confiscations, not doubt about it. One thing this says to me is I'm not selling or trading any of the guns I've had for decades and I am not keeping all my guns in the same place. I was thinking of doing some trades, but with UBCs and Red Flag coming on, I'm glad to have some guns that either have no paper on them, guns that have paper on them that was filled out long before computers, and/or guns that might have been lost in a tragic canoe accident. IMHO, old guns are are becoming worth more than new guns in a fundamental way.
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    This going to be a rough year for us, and as far as Trump and his promises to the 2nd amendment go, it's time to put up or shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    If Trump signs it, which he might, I think he will lose his base and lose the election in 2020. He's gotta know that.

    UBCs and Red Flag will lead to selective confiscations, not doubt about it. One thing this says to me is I'm not selling or trading any of the guns I've had for decades and I am not keeping all my guns in the same place. I was thinking of doing some trades, but with UBCs and Red Flag coming on, I'm glad to have some guns that either have no paper on them, guns that have paper on them that was filled out long before computers, and/or guns that might have been lost in a tragic canoe accident. IMHO, old guns are are becoming worth more than new guns in a fundamental way.


    I will just say that I agree with everything that you just said 100% and then another 10%.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hick63 View Post
    You're being sarcastic, right? I thought all interstate firearm transactions had to go through a FFL. That means all those Chicago gangs-bangers who go to Indiana to stock up are already avoiding UBC; by breaking the law.
    Yes, sarcasm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hick63 View Post
    You're being sarcastic, right? I thought all interstate firearm transactions had to go through a FFL. That means all those Chicago gangs-bangers who go to Indiana to stock up are already avoiding UBC; by breaking the law.
    I would guess it works like this;
    Ind.resident with clean record buys gun (guns) in IND from FFL or not.;then drives to ILL and sells same.

    ILL residents cannot buy guns from an IND FFL.
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    National UBC seems like the first step to a National gun registry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bozz10mm View Post
    National UBC seems like the first step to a National gun registry.
    It's the next step, not the first one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    It's the next step, not the first one...
    I would also add a word: It is the next step toward a "legal" gun registry. Since 2004, the FBI has been required to destroy all NICS checks that pass. They are only supposed to retain failed NICS checks, although they do a pitiful job of following up on them and making arrests.

    But the GAO has reported that ATF has been obtaining and databasing those NICS checks, essentially creating a national gun registry, which is not technically legal under federal law. The ATF has even admitted it in Congressional testimony, complaining that the fact that the records can't be used in criminal investigations ties their hands. It' probably obvious that they act on the information on the sly, but they can't admit it and they have to keep it out of reports. They can't use it in court.

    What UBCs would do is filling the missing data for all future sales, gifts and inheritances of firearms. I predict they will also conduct a massive project to digitize paper records going back to '68, if they are not doing so already. They would not really need any legislative approval to do that, just a lot of money.

    So once they get all that info, they would only lack a law that says they can use the information. Then there will be only a small percentage of guns they would not have a pretty good idea where they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    I would also add a word: It is the next step toward a "legal" gun registry. Since 2004, the FBI has been required to destroy all NICS checks that pass. They are only supposed to retain failed NICS checks, although they do a pitiful job of following up on them and making arrests.

    But the GAO has reported that ATF has been obtaining and databasing those NICS checks, essentially creating a national gun registry, which is not technically legal under federal law. The ATF has even admitted it in Congressional testimony, complaining that the fact that the records can't be used in criminal investigations ties their hands. It' probably obvious that they act on the information on the sly, but they can't admit it and they have to keep it out of reports. They can't use it in court.

    What UBCs would do is filling the missing data for all future sales, gifts and inheritances of firearms. I predict they will also conduct a massive project to digitize paper records going back to '68, if they are not doing so already. They would not really need any legislative approval to do that, just a lot of money.

    So once they get all that info, they would only lack a law that says they can use the information. Then there will be only a small percentage of guns they would not have a pretty good idea where they are.
    Well, look at the bright side. At least our FISA Court system works really well at protecting citizens rights.

    Better yet, if BATFE accidentally loses their data on us, perhaps the kindly NSA will have a few thousand backup copies in their shiny, new data center.
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    I don't believe I've ever felt less optimistic about our future gun rights than I do right now. That feeling grows progressively worse as time goes on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    Universal background checks and red flag laws will likely pass through Congress and be signed by the President.
    It may be passed by the House but it will never make it out of committee in the Senate. Lindsey Graham is now the Judiciary chairman and while hes not my favorite Senator but he is very pro gun.

    If it does pass the Senate I believe you are correct, Trump will sign it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fish View Post
    I would guess it works like this;
    Ind.resident with clean record buys gun (guns) in IND from FFL or not.;drives to ILL and sells same.
    Nooo, no, no. The Chicago gangbangers drive to Indiana, which doesn't have strict gun laws like Illinois has, and either buy a whole carload of guns in the parking lot of the local Walmart, or simply buy them online without a background check, however that works...
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