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Think The Progressives Arenít After Our Firearms? Read This!

This is a discussion on Think The Progressives Arenít After Our Firearms? Read This! within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Mike1956 I do find comfort in the belief that no despotic regime in human history has come to power with a private ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    I do find comfort in the belief that no despotic regime in human history has come to power with a private citizenry as generally freedom-loving and well-armed as ours.
    I agree with your comment, but I also think there is some "frog boiling" with the definitions of "despotic" and "freedom." I think it is also important to not look at countries solely from the point of view of gun rights, because I think we should be knowledgeable about how the opposition thinks.

    Most lists of the top 10 most free countries do not include the US, although I think it should be #1. The top tens are usually populated by EU countries and some have the UK at #1, believe it or not. Personally, I think European countries started out as freedom-loving, but have been slowly taken over by the despotic regime that is the EU. It is essentially led by Germany, meaning Hitler is posthumously getting his way. The EU's approach is a lot more patient and subtle than Adolph's but no less effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    I agree with your comment, but I also think there is some "frog boiling" with the definitions of "despotic" and "freedom." I think it is also important to not look at countries solely from the point of view of gun rights, because I think we should be knowledgeable about how the opposition thinks.
    In the very recent period, that boiling frog has given way to a dam spilling over with their true radical ideas. My guess is the new young ones got tired of waiting for that frog to boil.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    Most lists of the top 10 most free countries do not include the US, although I think it should be #1. The top tens are usually populated by EU countries and some have the UK at #1, believe it or not. Personally, I think European countries started out as freedom-loving, but have been slowly taken over by the despotic regime that is the EU. It is essentially led by Germany, meaning Hitler is posthumously getting his way. The EU's approach is a lot more patient and subtle than Adolph's but no less effective.
    Yes I have seen some of those so-called top ten lists and the first thought that comes to mind is who is creating such lists. Probably people more inclined to strong centralized control and cradle to grave protections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoyVA View Post
    This was true my entire adult life.. until now. Never have I seen so many of the democratic candidate hopefuls bend so far to the left and be so open about strong moves towards socialism. For a number of years I have been calling this "out liberaling each other". One takes an issue to a certain point and then another one picks it up and takes it further left. It's just that this time around they are just so open with it all. It's as thought they've come out of the closet for all to see their true selves and beliefs. Some of the stuff they claim they want to implement is beyond crazy.
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    I've been on this rock a few years, and I've seen this quite often during the primary cycle, up to the convention. Then, after the pet left-wing wack-job gets the nod, they suddenly become this maven of moderation and reason, in order to attract as many of the centrists and undecided as possible, and to possibly swing some of the more liberal from the opposition.

    I've seen it on the right, as well, but not to the extreme. Or maybe I'm blinded to it.
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    Traditionally that has been the case. But this campaign season is different. There has been so much movement to the more radical left and the dem candidates have openly stated their support so many times that they can't turn around now. The cat's out of the bag and won't shut up.

    These people have always taught and felt this way but in past cycles have been very reluctant to spill the beans about their true selves. It's actually a good thing that they have all jumped over that wall and come out of the proverbial closet because it gives the repubs more ammunition with which to fight their loony proposals, if they don't turn chicken, tuck tail, and run like they usually do.

    Most all of their secrets are now out in the open as to where they want to take this nation. Their grand plan, which began 100 years ago, just may come to pass after all. If it does, it will be a sorry end for a once great nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry9008 View Post
    I've been on this rock a few years, and I've seen this quite often during the primary cycle, up to the convention. Then, after the pet left-wing wack-job gets the nod, they suddenly become this maven of moderation and reason, in order to attract as many of the centrists and undecided as possible, and to possibly swing some of the more liberal from the opposition.

    I've seen it on the right, as well, but not to the extreme. Or maybe I'm blinded to it.
    No, you're right, I believe it has become more extreme. Under the previous administration, there was a hard shift to the left in policies and agendas. That emboldened the far-left crowd to push for their extreme agendas even harder. My belief is that was ultimately responsible for Clinton losing the election. Moderates were voting against going down that path with no way to return to center. After Trump won the election that crowd has lost their minds because they lost an election that was assumed to be "a slam dunk". Rather than recognizing that they were pushing an agenda that was too extreme they have doubled down and are pushing harder.

    I'm not a Trump fan and felt his chances of winning a second term were not good. But, based on the positions being espoused by the current field of "Democrats" I think his chances are looking better and better every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMinSC View Post
    We need to stop calling them progressives. There is nothing new or "progressive" about their agenda. The authoritarian/statist agenda is as old as time. They made up the term progressive to call themselves after the term liberal became so unpopular for them. And that was after they bastardized the classical definition of liberalism. Don't let them decide a propaganda term for themselves. Call them what they are: Statists.
    Actually I agree with their term "Progressive" as it is progressing to a nightmare state that will be a Utopia for a very powerful few.

    The history of civilization has been subjection, willingly or unwillingly, to Kings, Lords, Barons or Despots (who invariably believe they are annointed by the heavens) the one common is they are all Tyrants who rule unquestioningly with an iron fist.

    The U.S.A. is the one true shining contrary example, and it looks as if human nature is slowly over taking that grand experiment.

    As for the OP, the story does lay it out there. It does imply removal of guns from the grasp of the common man, just dances around confiscation.
    Funny how it credits the "Elites" for so many past changes and places expectations on them for future changes. Makes it seem the "common man" is just so much debris.

    There are so many outright lies, misinformation (does Missouri have a gun license scheme such as Conneticut? or does Texa have "more mass shootings" than California?) and progressive skewed studies buried into such a lenghty articles that those pieces are glossed over.

    Make no mistake though, they are serious, determined and relentless.
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    I posted the other day about the people who think it is cool to say that they don't trust Trump to protect their second amendment rights. I asked that in view of the push by Democrats for gun control who else but Trump would you suggest we vote for? Evidently what I said must have been considered too political because it was removed. My post was in defense of our 2nd amendment rights just as much as this article is. My post was " Be careful what you say." I didn't get any explanation why my post was just gone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GpTom View Post
    I posted the other day about the people who think it is cool to say that they don't trust Trump to protect their second amendment rights. I asked that in view of the push by Democrats for gun control who else but Trump would you suggest we vote for? Evidently what I said must have been considered too political because it was removed. My post was in defense of our 2nd amendment rights just as much as this article is. My post was " Be careful what you say." I didn't get any explanation why my post was just gone?
    I have been around long enough to vote in every election cycle since 1972. I recall very few elections in which I could genuinely support and get behind a candidate or party, but in most cases it was simply a matter of voting against the worst of the offered choices. I doubt this election cycle will be very different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retired badge 1 View Post
    ...I recall very few elections in which I could genuinely support and get behind a candidate or party, but in most cases it was simply a matter of voting against the worst of the offered choices...
    I concur.
    That has been my observation also, and I've been voting since 1959.
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    I recently wrote this on another forum, and I think that it is also appropriate here.
    I apologize: It's political philosophy, I guess.

    You know, back when there were real Progressives, back in the days of Teddy Roosevelt and William Howard Taft, their aim was to curtail the excesses of that time's "robber baron" industrialists, so that everybody else would also have a chance to prosper.
    It wasn't a matter of making people conform to some narrow, rigid ideal of thought and behavior, but rather a desire to permit people to enjoy a larger, more varied menu from which to make their economic choices.

    Contrast Roosevelt and Taft with the so-called (self-identified) Progressives of today.
    Like the so-called AntiFa, who are more fascistic than any Fascist ever was, and the so-called Anarchists, who are merely out to destroy and to wreak havoc for their own enjoyment, today's Progressives haven't the slightest clue about what a Progressive really is.

    I guess that it's a form of revisionist history, or something like that.
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