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In Florida? Really?

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    There is one problem with Florida - people here try to create constitutional amendments for everything. Things you might beleive in, but have ZERO business being in the state constitution.


    Read through this nonsense from last time....

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/pol...220679075.html
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    Rust. It is never entirely eradicated, but can only be kept at bay through constant attention and work. Democrats are rust. They destroy anything good if they're not constantly maintenanced. Our ship of state is a rust bucket. Just painting it doesn't do what is really needed. I consider myself only a pencil grinder working to rid our ship of its rust. There are no truly safe American States without Democrats and foreigners working incessantly to destroy our Liberty. God could kill them all like He did at Sodom and Gomorrah, but they'd still be there eating away at our Freedom. Like rust.
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    Constitutional amendment proposals in FL have a record of being worded such that the effect of the proposal is unclear or wording them so that a Yes vote actually mean No or vice versa. Personally, I find it far too easy to effect state constitutional changes, thus making the constitution a "desire of the moment" rather than something "carved in stone."

    I'm glad the AG recognizes this amendment is badly written and is taking steps to clarify, but I feel her efforts would be better placed to squash it. Sometimes we have to take what we get in that manner.
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    That will probably pass in Florida, right after my all expenses paid trip to Mars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS_Shooter View Post
    This is not an indicator of Florida in general. It has no chance of passing.
    I would have said that a few years ago with a majority of conservatives in the State of Oregon and in the legislature. Fast forward to today with Portland outnumbering the rest of the state and a super majority of socialists in the legislature. They are trying to outdo California and Washington with gun bans, restrictions, and red-flag laws.
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    19-01 has a very high chance of passing.
    Nearly every ballot initiative passes. Most people read the ballot initiatives in the voting booth, most people think "that sounds good" and bubble in YES to everything with literally 3 seconds or less of thought into each one.
    "Prohibits possession of assault weapons, defined as semiautomatic rifles and shotguns capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition at once, either in fixed or detachable magazine, or any other ammunition-feeding device. Possession of handguns is not prohibited. Exempts military and law enforcement personnel in their official duties. Exempts and requires registration of assault weapons lawfully possessed prior to this provision’s effective date. Creates criminal penalties for violations of this amendment.
    That's all people will see, and then they will vote.
    Maybe I'm over-reacting, but I'm very concerned.
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    "Prohibits possession of assault weapons, defined as semiautomatic rifles and shotguns capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition at once, either in fixed or detachable magazine, or any other ammunition-feeding device. Possession of handguns is not prohibited. . ."

    So based on that writing, an AR "pistol" with a 30-round mag is perfectly legal. I see a huge jump in AR pistol sales.
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    As I read more and more stories about the ideas, attempts, and new laws aimed at rgulating firearms I come ot realize that the underlying cause of such futile control attempts arise from human deficiencies.

    The human deficiencies are two pronged. First is the understandable deficiency in identifying the mentally ill people that see killing others as a solution or retribution. Second is the deficiency in logical conclusions by those who think gun control is a solution that compensates for the inability to deal with the mental health issues. If you cannot identify would be shooters before they act, then ban the tools they might use to inflict harm. That is an admission that the powers to be are incapable of dealing with mental illness as a sociatel problem. So make guns the societal problem because we can find guns but cannot detet mental illness before its consequences occur.

    We here know that gun bans are useless in preventing unjust killing. The only way they could work is to ban all guns, and then the killers would find other weapons like bobms, trucks, etc. But the anti gun folks cannot see beying their noses. They seem to be acting like they were on the wrong side of gun. Al they can see is the gun and not the person behind it.

    When MD banned assault rifles the opposition showed in court that over the previous ten years more people had been beaten to death in MD than killed by guns. They showed that handguns had killed nealry 400 people while rifles had killed only 30. So handgun deaths were more than ten times more frequent than rifle inflicted deaths. The not amusing thing is that of the 30 rifle inflicted deaths the re was no knowledge of how many had happened with assault rifles. As I said there is a deficiency of logic in the MD case. The District Court ruked against MD, bit the Appeals Court reversed that decision. If you careful read that decisio you will wind that there is no logis behind it, and it is based upon emotion in that the Court fel that the citizenry was frightened by assault rifles, and that was supportive of a ban. Logic? NO!

    Logical debate is a good practice and usually has good results. But a debate about illogical conclusions is hopeless. It is perplexing, and I hate having no ideas about what one might do to affect change. So I hunker down for the long term and bring my Taurus nature of being obstinate and stubborn into play. They want my guns? they have to face the horns.
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    I don't discount the possibility of this nonsense being passed. Look at the BS that we got after Parkland. Letting all of the transplant northerners vote on this is just asking for trouble. I see a lot of boating accidents/lost guns happening if this BS passes. Calling GOA and SAF!
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    It is my fault!
    I lived in many places in the world because I liked where I was moving.
    I never wanted to "change it to where it was like it was where I came from".
    Otherwise I would have stayed home & saved the money.
    Moved to the Asheville area in 1986 from FL. Loved it.
    Till the "Others " moved in from the the north east coast, CA etc.
    Then they changed it to where it was like where they came from.
    So last year bought a place, 55+ community, in Homosassa, FL.
    Sold the house in NC last month & here in FL full-time, forever again.
    Then I read today in the Citrus Chronicle newspaper I get, "Just moved down here from Seattle, WA & your recycled program is way behind.....
    And those type of letters are are appearing daily.
    Maybe need to buy a sailboat.

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    Florida was one of the first to begin confiscating firearms from citizens with out so much as charging them with a crime under their "red flag" law. Florida also raised the age limit for purchasing long guns beyond what the Federal govenment requires. This amendment may fail, but I don't think momentum is on the side of gun owners in Florida, or a number of other once "safe" gun states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    "Prohibits possession of assault weapons, defined as semiautomatic rifles and shotguns capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition at once, either in fixed or detachable magazine, or any other ammunition-feeding device. Possession of handguns is not prohibited. . ."

    So based on that writing, an AR "pistol" with a 30-round mag is perfectly legal. I see a huge jump in AR pistol sales.
    The Florida AG is fighting the amendment based on the confusion and and ambiguity of the language.

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    History teaches us that there always comes a time when someone has to take a stand. Our forefathers had to risk everything for freedom - even to the point of death. God forbid, but it may be that the time is coming when free men and women will have to do the same.

    I have a somewhat unconventional approach to these schemes to make what is legal today illegal tomorrow - if I don't register it. I simply refuse to obey. I do offer the thought that IF people are stupid enough to legislate one a felon, they should realize that there are some people who know a great deal about how to be a very, very "successful" felon. Some have seen and heard every mistake ever made, know the system, and know how to circumvent the mistakes.

    Freedom must always be defended. The cost is high, but the alternative is to just go quietly to the ovens.

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    I'm pretty concerned about this proposed legislation.

    If it gets enough support vis a vis signatures it will be on the ballot. Once on the ballot anything can happen - especially given the history of voting/elections in the state of Florida. I just don't trust it, I don't trust the bill, I don't trust our election and voting process and I think this one bill has the potential to make a dramatic change in the 2A landscape across America.

    The bill does not ban the magazine. It bans the weapon if the weapon is capable of holding a magazine that carries more than 10 rounds. The only way out for those that already own one is to register their firearm with FDLE and of course those records will be confidential.

    If this gets on the ballot it's a crap shoot on whether it passes. The groups behind it are predominantly in the SE and SW portions of the state and those are big voter numbers with enough vote pull to approve the legislation. And if this passes it will become two things: a model for other states and a foot in the door on ultimate bans.
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