Would fewer lives be lost in USA if the 18th Amendment was reinstated?

Would fewer lives be lost in USA if the 18th Amendment was reinstated?

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    Would fewer lives be lost in USA if the 18th Amendment was reinstated?

    In 2017, 10,874 people died from drunk driving in the USA. That equates to roughly 30 people per day killed by drunk drivers. That is many more people than the number of people killed in mass shootings on a daily basis. So, should we reinstate the 18th Amendment and ban alcoholic beverages? Using the Anti's favorite refrain: If it saves just one life, isn't worth it?

    With all noise about "gun violence", why do people overlook something that is much more deadly than mass shootings? It is not "gun violence", it violence committed by people using guns.

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    I've been pointing this out for years, except that you should clarify that there are a total of 88,000 alcohol related deaths which includes health issues directly related to alcohol abuse. Add to this the number of families that are torn apart by alcoholism.

    But you need to keep in mind that most drinkers are responsible drinkers, unlike gun owners <<< sarcasm!
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    As soon as MADD gets the legal limit down to .05, even more lives will be saved...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGunTX View Post
    In 2017, 10,874 people died from drunk driving in the USA. That equates to roughly 30 people per day killed by drunk drivers. That is many more people than the number of people killed in mass shootings on a daily basis. So, should we reinstate the 18th Amendment and ban alcoholic beverages? Using the Anti's favorite refrain: If it saves just one life, isn't worth it?

    With all noise about "gun violence", why do people overlook something that is much more deadly than mass shootings? It is not "gun violence", it violence committed by people using guns.

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    The 18th Amendment didn't solve the problem. More important, it made everything worse.
    Alcohol remained easy to get, regardless of the law.
    And the whole business brought us industrial criminality, the rise of gangs, the Mafia, and urban gang warfare.

    One cannot control public morals by making laws. Laws don't change human behavior.
    Laws can only forbid-and-punish: Do the crime, and do the time.
    But first you've got to do the crime.

    We would have less drunken driving if the mandated penalties were applied. The mandated penalties can take drunk drivers off of the streets.
    But the courts seem to be Hell-bent upon minimizing penalties, and letting miscreants and felons go.
    Nothing's gonna change until that changes.
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    Does anyone study history anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    Does anyone study history anymore?
    History ??? WHAZZAT ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    As soon as MADD gets the legal limit down to .05, even more lives will be saved...
    Utah has already done that. I play in a monthly poker game. One of the members bought a breathalyzers so those that have a couple are sure that they are not over the limit.

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    It’s not even in the top ten causes of death.

    If the Democrats gave a damn, they’d focus on the top 25. Those would produce some results.

    They still wouldn’t touch guns.

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    Didn’t work so well the first time what would make you think it would be better if it were reinstated???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    Does anyone study history anymore?
    Here is the issue, we do study history. One has to go beyond the pop-culture snippets to find the real story.
    Alcohol consumption declined dramatically during Prohibition. Cirrhosis death rates for men were 29.5 per 100,000 in 1911 and 10.7 in 1929. Admissions to state mental hospitals for alcoholic psychosis declined from 10.1 per 100,000 in 1919 to 4.7 in 1928.

    Arrests for public drunkennness and disorderly conduct declined 50 percent between 1916 and 1922. For the population as a whole, the best estimates are that consumption of alcohol declined by 30 percent to 50 percent.

    Violent crime did not increase dramatically during Prohibition. Homicide rates rose dramatically from 1900 to 1910 but remained roughly constant during Prohibition's 14 year rule. Organized crime may have become more visible and lurid during Prohibition, but it existed before and after.
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    Death rates from cirrhosis and alcoholism, alcoholic psychosis hospital admissions, and drunkenness arrests all declined steeply during the latter years of the 1910s, when both the cultural and the legal climate were increasingly inhospitable to drink, and in the early years after National Prohibition went into effect. They rose after that, but generally did not reach the peaks recorded during the period 1900 to 1915. After Repeal, when tax data permit better-founded consumption estimates than we have for the Prohibition Era, per capita annual consumption stood at 1.2 US gallons (4.5 liters), less than half the level of the pre-Prohibition period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    As soon as MADD gets the legal limit down to .05, even more lives will be saved...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGunTX View Post
    In 2017, 10,874 people died from drunk driving in the USA. That equates to roughly 30 people per day killed by drunk drivers. That is many more people than the number of people killed in mass shootings on a daily basis. So, should we reinstate the 18th Amendment and ban alcoholic beverages? Using the Anti's favorite refrain: If it saves just one life, isn't worth it?

    With all noise about "gun violence", why do people overlook something that is much more deadly than mass shootings? It is not "gun violence", it violence committed by people using guns.

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    @OldVet We know about your bourbon habit. You can have an intervention and remove all our names from your list.
    Now that more and more states are legalizing recreational marijuana it will only get worse.....Traffic fatalities and injuries are on the very of taking a giant leap....at one point Wyoming was trying to sue Colorado due to their (Wyoming) residents were going to the head shops in Colorado and then driving home high and killing and injuring more and more people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by M1911A1 View Post
    One cannot control public morals by making laws. Laws don't change human behavior.
    Laws can only forbid-and-punish: Do the crime, and do the time.
    But first you've got to do the crime.

    We would have less drunken driving if the mandated penalties were applied. The mandated penalties can take drunk drivers off of the streets.
    But the courts seem to be Hell-bent upon minimizing penalties, and letting miscreants and felons go.
    Nothing's gonna change until that changes.
    And there is a big part of the problem involving guns. How many times do we read that someone is arrested and has multiple prior convictions for gun related crimes? The revolving doors on courts and jails has to be stopped. This is thanks to Odumbo's appointed snowflake judges.
    By now our forefathers would be shooting.

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