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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisibleflash View Post
    Every gun I ever bought on the net, or sold on the net, has to be shipped to a FFL dealer for the paperwork and background check.

    Are the dems just stupid because they don't buy guns and know what is involved? Or is it just a talking 'propaganda' point?
    It's not just Dems saying that. Sen Collins (R-ME) claims the same thing. Just another RINO though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    It is possible to go to a gun show and buy a gun from a private seller without going through a background check, hence the 'gunshow loophole".

    It is possible to advertise guns for sale on the internet and then meet the buyer face to face for the transaction, again without going through a background check, making the "internet sales" claim valid.

    How much either of these options are used by disqualified people to skirt gun possession laws and obtain firearms is purely a matter of speculation. The pro-2A advocates will claim the impact is minimal, while the antis will throw out a ridiculous statistic.

    Lawmakers make political hay either way, or at least they used to. Now, it's just the antis yammering with everyone else pretty much going unheard.
    If I go to a gun show and buy a gun from a private seller, itís a private sale, so there is no gun show loophole. If someone online says they are selling a gun, and I meet them and buy it, itís a private sale, not an online sale, so I am not buying a gun online without a background check, I am buying a gun in a face to face private transaction that doesnít require a background check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    If I go to a gun show and buy a gun from a private seller, itís a private sale, so there is no gun show loophole. If someone online says they are selling a gun, and I meet them and buy it, itís a private sale, not an online sale, so I am not buying a gun online without a background check, I am buying a gun in a face to face private transaction that doesnít require a background check.
    Two realities that UBC adherents seek to make illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Two realities that UBC adherents seek to make illegal.
    Yes, but it is still a private transaction. What they say about the gun show loophole and online sales is false. Private sales do not require background checks, and they shouldnít. Itís also not something that can be enforced. They are lying about these things to gain support from people who donít know any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    Yes, but it is still a private transaction. What they say about the gun show loophole and online sales is false. Private sales do not require background checks, and they shouldnít. Itís also not something that can be enforced. They are lying about these things to gain support from people who donít know any better.
    What are they lying about? I'm thinking I accurately characterized the gun show loophole and internet gun sales.
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    They say it because it is the tiny piece of truth embedded in their disinformation that makes their lies believable. Never mind that it's anybody's guess how many such transactions take place; it must certainly be comparativley few. Furthermore, to characterize a private sale as a loophole suggests hidden or even nefarious motives whereas to call it private risks reminding people that some things are no one else's business and should remain so. It is how the hoi polloi are influenced and controlled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoganbeg View Post
    They say it because it is the tiny piece of truth embedded in their disinformation that makes their lies believable. Never mind that it's anybody's guess how many such transactions take place; it must certainly be comparativley few. Furthermore, to characterize a private sale as a loophole suggests hidden or even nefarious motives whereas to call it private risks reminding people that some things are no one else's business and should remain so. It is how the hoi polloi are influenced and controlled.
    It doesn't matter what is a fact, what is based on fact, or what is just a slice of truth. The gun grabbers will take any facts that support their argument and ignore other facts that would expose their false narrative. Then they get the MSM to repeat it over and over until the false becomes the "truth". Have you seen how they perpeturate the Trump "good people" hoax?
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    The only private transfers allowed in Oregon are between immediate family. All other transfers have to go through a FFL with a background check. If I want to lend you a rifle for hunting season, we have to go to a licensed dealer and pay for the transfer and state police background check. When you give it back after hunting season, we have to go through the process again. That is what the liberals and RINOs want nationally.

    Oregon also has the red-flag laws. Anyone you have ever had any relationship with can petition a liberal judge to have you declared a danger to yourself or others and have your guns confiscated. My ex-wife who I haven't seen in over thirty-five years can tell a judge I am a danger and have all of my guns confiscated. Again, this is what the liberals and RINOs want nationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    The only private transfers allowed in Oregon are between immediate family. All other transfers have to go through a FFL with a background check. If I want to lend you a rifle for hunting season, we have to go to a licensed dealer and pay for the transfer and state police background check. When you give it back after hunting season, we have to go through the process again. That is what the liberals and RINOs want nationally.

    Oregon also has the red-flag laws. Anyone you have ever had any relationship with can petition a liberal judge to have you declared a danger to yourself or others and have your guns confiscated. My ex-wife who I haven't seen in over thirty-five years can tell a judge I am a danger and have all of my guns confiscated. Again, this is what the liberals and RINOs want nationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    The only private transfers allowed in Oregon are between immediate family. All other transfers have to go through a FFL with a background check. If I want to lend you a rifle for hunting season, we have to go to a licensed dealer and pay for the transfer and state police background check. When you give it back after hunting season, we have to go through the process again. That is what the liberals and RINOs want nationally.

    Oregon also has the red-flag laws. Anyone you have ever had any relationship with can petition a liberal judge to have you declared a danger to yourself or others and have your guns confiscated. My ex-wife who I haven't seen in over thirty-five years can tell a judge I am a danger and have all of my guns confiscated. Again, this is what the liberals and RINOs want nationally.

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    No more to the leftist agenda than that, at least until we get to the ban/confiscation/turn-in part.
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    When has facts or truth entered into the statements of a Liberal, Progressive and more recently any Democrat on anything?

    Of course if anyone "wants" to bypass a law, note I did not say violate as that might be considered hurtful to criminals, they will find a way and last I checked even California doesn't have a border fence at other state lines. Though that might be their next idea. A border fence with Oregon, Nevada and Arizona to keep out guns they would buy as effective while one to keep out illegal immigrants would be a waste of money. In their defense if you are willing to "open" the gate and turn your back no "wall" is effective.
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    It's all part of the "propaganda" - and that's exactly what it is. It is similar to how "that crowd" has helped to emphasis the term semi-automatic and correlated it with phrases such as "a stream of bullets" to make the masses believe that semi-automatic is akin to a machine gun. I've had numerous conversations with people that believe "semi-automatic" operates "like a machine gun". I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the media either knowingly or through incompetence helps to propagate such falsehoods.
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    Some idiot named Beto came to the gun show in Conway just to have his picture taken in a gum show. He's already spinning it to his advantage. Mr. Orourke or whatever his name is, has personally vowed to eliminate private sales of guns in his bid for President.

    He's only running as a Democrat because that's the nearest thing there is to socialism lite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Some idiot named Beto came to the gun show in Conway just to have his picture taken in a gum show. He's already spinning it to his advantage. Mr. Orourke or whatever his name is, has personally vowed to eliminate private sales of guns in his bid for President.

    He's only running as a Democrat because that's the nearest thing there is to socialism lite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Some idiot named Beto came to the gun show in Conway just to have his picture taken in a gum show. He's already spinning it to his advantage. Mr. Orourke or whatever his name is, has personally vowed to eliminate private sales of guns in his bid for President.

    He's only running as a Democrat because that's the nearest thing there is to socialism lite.
    I donít think heís running as a democrat because of their fondness for socialism. I think he runs as a democrat because they tolerate his voice while he pursues his quest of getting a job so he has authority over the riff raff. Itís about control for him, not whatís best for the minions. He just smiles nicely and looks harmless while he plots his reign.
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