Arguments against universal BG checks

Arguments against universal BG checks

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    Arguments against universal BG checks

    Some more info that needs to be distributed.......a case against.

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/13/g...al-background/


    .......The Bureau of Justice Statistics last released a full annual report on NICS in 2010. (The Obama administration stopped releasing annual reports after that year.) The report revealed that 72,659 individuals had been denied because of NICS. Of that number, just 44 individuals had faced federal prosecutions, and just 13 were convicted.

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    Criminals don't purchase guns from FFLs. They steal them or buy in the black market. (No, i'm not being racist by my use of the phrase "black market")
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    Universal background checks will lead to a database of guns and gun owners. Registration is the key to confiscation. I would suspect most of us when we've heard talk of gun bans have looked at their gun collection and determined which of them had a paper trail versus those that didn't. I'm sure our liberal leaders have thought of that as well.

    Also, people that do the mass shootings are not criminal, they're crazy. Until there is a mandatory mental health reporting system, universal background checks will be ineffective in preventing those people from obtaining firearms.

    It will also be expensive and that cost will be passed on to the gun purchaser. probably at a premium.
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    Consider this, the mass shooters have all passed background checks and purchased their weapons legally. Universal background checks would be no different than passing another law making murder illegal.

    Edit to add; I forgot about the Columbine shooters, they had other people the guns and they did pass background checks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Consider this, the mass shooters have all passed background checks and purchased their weapons legally. Universal background checks would be no different than passing another law making murder illegal.

    Edit to add; I forgot about the Columbine shooters, they had other people the guns and they did pass background checks.
    And the young woman who purchased the guns for the Columbine killers was convicted for her crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Consider this, the mass shooters have all passed background checks and purchased their weapons legally. Universal background checks would be no different than passing another law making murder illegal.

    Edit to add; I forgot about the Columbine shooters, they had other people the guns and they did pass background checks.
    I wonder how many of these people would have passed the background check if there was a national database that tracked people with mental health issues and there was a mandatory reporting law. I realize that is another slippery slope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retired badge 1 View Post
    And the young woman who purchased the guns for the Columbine killers was convicted for her crimes.
    The fellow that sold them the handgun was convicted, but I don't think Robyn Anderson was ever arrested. She did not pass a background check as her purchases were from a private seller.
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    Universal Background Checks are just another step towards confiscation.

    That's all its ever been about and that's all it'll ever be about. Anything you hear other than that are lies.
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    UBCs? Nope. Let's address the root cause:

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGunTX View Post
    Criminals don't purchase guns from FFLs. They steal them or buy in the black market. (No, i'm not being racist by my use of the phrase "black market")
    Not entirely true, but the vast majority don't. What I didn't find was whether the 7% had criminal records before they purchased them from an FFL. I suspect not. My old FFL once told me he averaged about one denial a year, and he was unaware of ANY attempt by the ATF or state police to follow up on the fraudulently filled out 4473. UBCs are going to have zero impact on the true criminals.

    Seven percent had purchased it under their own name from a licensed firearm dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stirling XD View Post
    I wonder how many of these people would have passed the background check if there was a national database that tracked people with mental health issues and there was a mandatory reporting law. I realize that is another slippery slope.
    Id rather take my chances on people with "mental health issues" buying guns than create a new database to use to deny people their rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stirling XD View Post
    Universal background checks will lead to a database of guns and gun owners.
    This would be an absolute requirement in order for a universal background check system to work. There would also have to be periodic private inventory checks conducted by officials (local police?) to make sure that people were not trying to get around the UBC system.
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    Best reason: UBCís will not prevent these rare events, so whatís the benefit compared to the cost? Also, we donít require UBCís to purchase automobiles, so why for a God-given right enshrined in the Bill of Rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGunTX View Post
    Criminals don't purchase guns from FFLs. They steal them or buy in the black market. (No, i'm not being racist by my use of the phrase "black market")
    Criminals usually don't have carry permits either. The government knows if you have a carry permit, you probably also have a gun.

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    UBCs are immoral, unGodly, and utterly useless infringements on Liberty and an assault on God's unalienable rights. Such infringements only serve petit dictators who live for power. Such is not an American concept, but a Socialist or Fascist one.
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