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    You're on a gun forum and you're surprised the main focus is Guns/2A?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    I think you are stretching the definition of a right. What you describe is an unfortunate sign of our times, but there have always been opinions that if expressed publicly, would have drastic repercussions. Saying you were gay, Communist or un-American used to have drastic repercussions. In some places, even saying you were Jewish was a problem.

    This may seem off topic, but I think it is illustrative. A great story I read was about Col. Greg "Pappy" Boyington, who was of course a WWII flying ace, Medal of Honor winner and prisoner of war. On leave during the war, he attended a baseball game in civilian clothes. He of course stood up for the national anthem, but during the seventh inning stretch, they played "God Bless America" on the organ, which had become common practice in WWII. He remained seated for it and was actually attacked by people sitting around him. The problem was, even though that tune had been written by Irving Berlin years earlier, it did not become popular until after the war started. He was not protesting. He didn't recognize it as a patriotic song, nor did he know of the convention of standing up for it, because he had been overseas during that time being a hero!
    I stand for the anthem, the rest I don't. People can get attached to whatever songs they wish, but that doesn't mean there is protocol attached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novarider View Post
    You're on a gun forum and you're surprised the main focus is Guns/2A?
    2a yes, guns and carrying them defensively, no I wouldn't be surprised. What I stated was that there's a whole lot of members that do little else with guns but carry them and argue 2a is inviolate. We know it's not inviolate based on historical record.

    One can whine about the differences between altruistic and reality and state their opinions. But THEIR opinions are just that, opinions, not law. The laws as they stand today federally have been adjudicated in the real world, not the altruistic world some appear to have to reside in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    2a yes, guns and carrying them defensively, no I wouldn't be surprised. What I stated was that there's a whole lot of members that do little else with guns but carry them and argue 2a is inviolate. We know it's not inviolate based on historical record.

    One can whine about the differences between altruistic and reality and state their opinions. But THEIR opinions are just that, opinions, not law. The laws as they stand today federally have been adjudicated in the real world, not the altruistic world some appear to have to reside in.
    You don't think that guns and 2A discussion go hand in hand? I mean, there wouldn't be one without the other.

    "there's a whole lot of members that do little else with guns but carry them"

    What else is there to do with a gun other than carry it and shoot it? Serious question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novarider View Post
    What else is there to do with a gun other than carry it and shoot it? Serious question.

    Confession time: sometimes I clean mine, even if they haven't been fired recently. And....this is more embarassing.....sometimes I just sit and admire them. Mostly the 1911's, but sometimes the revolvers and lever actions, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novarider View Post
    You don't think that guns and 2A discussion go hand in hand? I mean, there wouldn't be one without the other.

    "there's a whole lot of members that do little else with guns but carry them"

    What else is there to do with a gun other than carry it and shoot it? Serious question.
    They may go hand in hand, but not the level of disparity we see here. How many sub forums of discussion? I count 26. The two most posts and views are general discussion and humor sections, 3rd is second amendment. There are 252,335 threads and 4,720,000 posts on this forum. There are 229,471 post on the 2A alone. That's 4.8% of total posts. Just to give that some more weight, there's 76,345 in the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training section which is barely 1%. It's a disproportionate number IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novarider View Post
    You don't think that guns and 2A discussion go hand in hand? I mean, there wouldn't be one without the other.

    "there's a whole lot of members that do little else with guns but carry them"

    What else is there to do with a gun other than carry it and shoot it? Serious question.
    Investments is a big one.

    there's a whole lot of members that do little else with guns but carry them

    And even more who own but don't carry them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    They may go hand in hand, but not the level of disparity we see here. How many sub forums of discussion? I count 26. The two most posts and views are general discussion and humor sections, 3rd is second amendment. There are 252,335 threads and 4,720,000 posts on this forum. There are 229,471 post on the 2A alone. That's 4.8% of total posts. Just to give that some more weight, there's 76,345 in the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training section which is barely 1%. It's a disproportionate number IMO

    Great observation, Az, but......let me point out that with this thread you've added to that disproportion.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    Confession time: sometimes I clean mine, even if they haven't been fired recently. And....this is more embarassing.....sometimes I just sit and admire them. Mostly the 1911's, but sometimes the revolvers and lever actions, too.
    Totally understand this. They are amazing mechanical devices and I admire the engineering that goes into them beyond just using them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    Great observation, Az, but......let me point out that with this thread you've added to that disproportion.....
    No doubt, thought I'd add to the madness seen here about 2a.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    Confession time: sometimes I clean mine, even if they haven't been fired recently. And....this is more embarassing.....sometimes I just sit and admire them. Mostly the 1911's, but sometimes the revolvers and lever actions, too.
    Ok you got me on the cleaning part. I've never admire my guns tho. They are tools to me not art.

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    A great thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    That would suggest 1a is being upheld at the point of a gun?

    Bolded: Been that way since before the country was created. Only 3% of the population in the colonies wanted to be free from British rule.
    Im saying I think if the government had succeeded at making us a "gun free" country, or at least at a rate faster than they currently are, then they would be even less afraid trample on other rights. I think the way things are going there isnt going to be some civil war like people say, however, the capability for the citizens to remove any level of government we want to certainly exists. For that reason, they are slowly changing societies views of rights to avoid any real repercussions. Slowly boiling the frog if you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    They may go hand in hand, but not the level of disparity we see here. How many sub forums of discussion? I count 26. The two most posts and views are general discussion and humor sections, 3rd is second amendment. There are 252,335 threads and 4,720,000 posts on this forum. There are 229,471 post on the 2A alone. That's 4.8% of total posts. Just to give that some more weight, there's 76,345 in the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training section which is barely 1%. It's a disproportionate number IMO
    Maybe that's because it's actually something to discuss? You can only talk about "what gun belt" so many times before it becomes nauseating.

    Also the 2A section is a catch all for Dems wanting to ban/confiscate/limit etc. Which there has been a TON of over the past few years and it's getting worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novarider View Post
    Maybe that's because it's actually something to discuss? You can only talk about "what gun belt" so many times before it becomes nauseating.

    Also the 2A section is a catch all for Dems wanting to ban/confiscate/limit etc. Which there has been a TON of over the past few years and it's getting worse.
    Hence the very reason I started this thread, 2a discussions are becoming nauseating
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