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    An Obama apointee.
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    I guess I'm gonna have to see that movie!
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    Having the 9th rule on this does not fill me with confidence.
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    At what point do we admit the attorneys pleading the case might not be as persuasive as we might want to believe?

    In any case, it’s time to reorganize the 9th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoganbeg View Post
    Having the 9th rule on this does not fill me with confidence.
    The most overturned circuit? Bring it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWOUSCG View Post
    The most overturned circuit? Bring it!
    Trump has been appointing conservative judges to the ninth circuit. A good friend of mine's son is clerking for a newly appointed conservative judge in the 9th circuit
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    Trump has been appointing conservative judges to the ninth circuit. A good friend of mine's son is clerking for a newly appointed conservative judge in the 9th circuit
    He's got a long road to hoe before that circuit is conservative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CWOUSCG View Post
    He's got a long road to hoe before that circuit is conservative.
    No argument there.
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    you guys may not realize how deep this is ingrained into the psyche of some folks, EVEN gun owners that love and appreciate firearms.. I know a a woman thats probably late 60's thats been shooting all her life, husband dies years ago, and he also enjoyed firearms, and they would shoot together.. She still has guns, and knows them well,, whats good and whats not..
    This knowledgeable woman is a hardcore liberal that WANTS strict controls, reasoning that the 2nd A was for a different time, when they were only muskets, blunderbuss, single shot flintlock pistols etc..
    She sees semi auto rifles as deadly "assault weapons" and feels they have no place in society and need to be banned.. I can't wrap my head around it honestly, but she's NOT alone.. there are a LOT of them out there, I have read some of them right on this forum... . bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Old Anglo View Post
    Why can`t these Fools understand that we have NO "Assault"Weapons???. Are they really that Dense??.
    You have to ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NECCdude View Post
    Another activist judge. Her argument against semi-auto firearms and the 2A are bogus. All firearms are potentially dangerous but so are automobiles, drugs, knives, baseball bats, etc. That doesn't necessarily mean that they should be banned. There are private ownership of machine guns but it is rare that they are ever use for criminal purposes. So, why can't law abiding citizens be allowed to purchase a newly manufactured machine gun? This association of "common use" with the 2A is ridiculous. Just my opinion which won't change anything.
    From my past research there have only been TWO incidents of legally owned fully automatic weapons being used in a crime since the 1934 NFA and one of those was by a police officer. Here's the problem with her logic and much of the uninformed. There is absolutely no "ban" against fully automatic weapons. The 1934 NFA is not a ban, it is a Tax. A tax that a citizen must pay in order to purchase a firearm which (in the case of full auto) SCOTUS has determined is protected by 2A. It just so happens that they can deny you the opportunity to pay said tax. The 1986 FOPA then denied the ability of any new full auto weapons from entering the civilian market. But, hey that doesn't deny you your right to purchase said weapons, right? Just because one will now set you back tens of thousands due to the artificial restriction on supply is not an infringement is it?

    Regarding the SCOTUS comment above, the 1939 case of US vs Miller was about a man who was prosecuted under NFA for a sawed off shotgun. SCOTUS ruled against him, but in thier decision they stated
    In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense
    I may be biased, but I think it is very clear that they stated that a sawed off shotgun was not protected by 2A because it was not "ordinary military equipment". Therefore, it would logically follow that any weapon that was part of "ordinary military equipment" would be protected by 2A. That is (my belief) why there has never been a true ban on full auto weapons and why we will never see a similar case regarding a full auto weapon go to the supreme court. A lower court will rule in favor of NFA and, if appealed, the supreme court will choose not to hear the appeal so we can stay within this quasi "ban" state we are in today where such weapons are not technically banned, but are unobtainable by most.
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    She argued that “assault weapons” are “incredibly effective killing machines” and are not commonly used or necessary for self-defense.
    A: what the heck is an "assault weapon"?

    B: lots of things are incredibly effective killing machines, but they're legal

    C: Yes, the darn well are commonly used - upwards of 10 million ARs can't be considered rare

    D: Yes, they are used for self defense. Allegedly so when .gov buys them - the bids are for "Personal Defense Weapons".
    (https://radioviceonline.com/departme...sonal-defense/)

    She is so stupidly wrong, she should hang up her robe and go home and make sandwiches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebee View Post
    you guys may not realize how deep this is ingrained into the psyche of some folks, EVEN gun owners that love and appreciate firearms.. I know a a woman thats probably late 60's thats been shooting all her life, husband dies years ago, and he also enjoyed firearms, and they would shoot together.. She still has guns, and knows them well,, whats good and whats not..
    This knowledgeable woman is a hardcore liberal that WANTS strict controls, reasoning that the 2nd A was for a different time, when they were only muskets, blunderbuss, single shot flintlock pistols etc..
    She sees semi auto rifles as deadly "assault weapons" and feels they have no place in society and need to be banned.. I can't wrap my head around it honestly, but she's NOT alone.. there are a LOT of them out there, I have read some of them right on this forum... . bob
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    Remember that the next level up is the Ninth Circuit, based in San Francisco, and maybe still a bench-full of activist Progressives.

    This case will most probably have to go to the Supremes, which is an expensive proposition.
    That's the lower-court judge's strategy: She's doing her best to exhaust the plaintiffs' financial resources, in order to keep them from pursuing, and certainly eventually winning, their case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    We have an epidemic of stupidity.
    I understand why you write this post, my friend.

    That said, I would argue that most "antis" are not stupid. They are ignorant and easily led and willingly fooled, but they can be quite smart. (And, they cling bitterly to their ignorant tenants.)

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