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    The Virginia AG is pushing back. The AG (like many other people) is talking "safety" to justify the laws but if these politicians truly believe in safety they'd be banning automobiles, baseball bats, poisons, knives, etc along with firearms. Banning firearms that don't pull its own trigger is a bogus argument. And yet there are a lot of people that buy into these ridiculous laws.

    It is my understanding that most prison systems are already at or exceed capacity and yet we have these politicians that want to put more people in jail that don't comply with unconstitutional laws. As Spock would say: That's illogical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viney266 View Post
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    I would hope that the VCDL and others in VA are already working on the legal challenges to this. Tie it up in the courts until the next election cycle and hope they can correct the electorate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airslot View Post
    I would hope that the VCDL and others in VA are already working on the legal challenges to this. Tie it up in the courts until the next election cycle and hope they can correct the electorate.
    The issue there is the VCDL is not the NRA, the GOA or the SAF. We operate on a shoestring, all volunteer budget. We have fought a few cases and we get some pro bono attorney work, but we can't fight big court battles. And the legislature may drop a dozen new laws on us all at once. Whereas the state has an unlimited taxpayer funded budget and whole AG's office to defend these new laws. It is David and Goliath and we can't even afford a slingshot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    The issue there is the VCDL is not the NRA, the GOA or the SAF. We operate on a shoestring, all volunteer budget. We have fought a few cases and we get some pro bono attorney work, but we can't fight big court battles. And the legislature may drop a dozen new laws on us all at once. Whereas the state has an unlimited taxpayer funded budget and whole AG's office to defend these new laws. It is David and Goliath and we can't even afford a slingshot.
    With as egregious as these new proposals are, perhaps a joint/class action suit involving all the aforementioned would be possible?

    I realize egos and differences would need to be set aside but, if we don't fight together, we will surely fall alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebee View Post
    I knew Va. was gone when the state elected that leftist loony tune Terry Mcauliff as governor several years ago... I had no inkling until that time.. I remember I was shocked that the great Commonwealth of Virginia would vote for such a radical leftist. Sadly its gotten even worse.. Like NY/Ca,/NJ/Md/ Colo/Mass/ Or./Wash., and several others actually, its gone far left, most likely never to return.
    The demographics simply don't allow for it, same as the other states I mention.. Florida, Ga. and Texas up next, and then the radicals win.Game over..

    I am 65, and do expect to see wholesale across the board gun grabbing legislation enacted first locally and then as more and more socialists are elected, strong attempts to ""redefine"" the 2nd amendment. Nation wide confiscation.. I don't expect to live another 20 years really, but if I do, I expect 100% with all my heart to witness either -

    1- forced confiscation nationally, after some success locally by many states
    2- If we are lucky, a nationwide ban on all guns except shotguns, single shot or limited capacity bolt action hunting rifles.. MAYBE. Even then, only by permit for a privileged few
    3- Seeing many citizens die at the hands of local and state police, or even US military as they are forced to surrender their weapons to "the state", or die in the attempt to defend themselves from tyranny.

    I just do not see a positive outcome anywhere on the horizon.. The demographics are NOT on our side, and although many people say they don't trust the media, they watch it, listen to it, and read it each and everyday, and the media is on the side of oppressive government enforcing ""common sense gun laws"". The sheep believe what they see and hear on TV, sad to say.

    The leftists own the media, and their side IS winning- its really that simple... bob
    Unfortunately, I fear your synopsis has more truth than fiction to it. Unless these moves awaken and unleash the sleeping giant, we very well may do down that path. And that sleeping giant is getting less and less fearsome each year. In my wildest dreams I never thought I would see the things I have been seeing taking place just over the last decade, let alone the last three years. The rush to turn this country into something 180 degrees from its founding design is nothing short of cataclysmic in the annuals of history.
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    Sanctuary cities are a move to block the enforcement of unjust gun laws. I believe jury nullification is another way to block enforcement of unjust gun laws. It only takes one juror to stop the conviction of a person under these unjust gun laws. Perhaps the VCDL and other pro gun rights groups should consider handing out information about jury nullification at the court house when people are tried under these unjust gun laws.

    Yes continue to work to change or prevent the enactment of unjust gun laws, but use all legal means to block the enforcement of unjust gun laws that do get enacted.
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    I guess its just a matter of how much infringement the citizens of Virginia are willing to accept.

    It's obvious that calling the Legislators, emailing them, texting them, talking to them, voting against them or anything else that might be a peaceful resolution isn't going to work.

    The socialists won't stop until they are forcefully removed from office. Now that they have a party majority, they have been emboldened to the point that they will not cease.

    Some prove me wrong.

    I'll wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    I guess its just a matter of how much infringement the citizens of Virginia are willing to accept.

    It's obvious that calling the Legislators, emailing them, texting them, talking to them, voting against them or anything else that might be a peaceful resolution isn't going to work.

    The socialists won't stop until they are forcefully removed from office. Now that they have a party majority, they have been emboldened to the point that they will not cease.

    Some prove me wrong.

    I'll wait.
    Gun Owners of Maine (GOME) was able to do pretty much what you're saying isn't going to work earlier this year against a Democratic trifecta that was proposing similar slate of anti-gun bills. I have corresponded with Rock and Glock about it. It was every bit as bad as this situation. They got all but one bill killed in committee and the one that passed they got significantly improved. I have updated the VCDL leadership on what they did and they are putting it into the plan. Also, the VCDL is already doing some things now in addition to what GOME did.

    Frankly, defeatist attitudes are not very helpful to us right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS24 View Post
    Most likely it does mean that the Glock 17 magazine is illegal in the Glock 19 depending on the prosecutor/jury but ok in the Glock 17 as long as it can only accept 10 rounds.

    I understand the end goal and understand that it is stupid. At the same time, being a resident of Virginia it is also important to understand what the law might be, so that I donít inadvertently break it.
    I don't inadvertently break any laws, I mostly know what laws I ignore. (IE: seat belt, speed limits, some gun conformity requirements, etc.) If I'm not hurting anyone, there is no foul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    Gun Owners of Maine (GOME) was able to do pretty much what you're saying isn't going to work earlier this year against a Democratic trifecta that was proposing similar slate of anti-gun bills. I have corresponded with Rock and Glock about it. It was every bit as bad as this situation. They got all but one bill killed in committee and the one that passed they got significantly improved. I have updated the VCDL leadership on what they did and they are putting it into the plan. Also, the VCDL is already doing some things now in addition to what GOME did.

    Frankly, defeatist attitudes are not very helpful to us right now.
    I'm sorry that I have come across sounding like a defeatist in this thread but this move by our servants has really got me worried. For some years I have wanted to move further south to get away from the cold and the snow so this new state of affairs has only added to that desire. My wife and I both have very long roots in Virginia so leaving is a hard decision to take.

    I hope Lobby Day next month sends a message, as I expect the crowds to be quite large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoyVA View Post
    I'm sorry that I have come across sounding like a defeatist in this thread but this move by our servants has really got me worried. For some years I have wanted to move further south to get away from the cold and the snow so this new state of affairs has only added to that desire. My wife and I both have very long roots in Virginia so leaving is a hard decision to take.

    I hope Lobby Day next month sends a message, as I expect the crowds to be quite large.
    I get it and I wasn't thinking of you when I made the statement. I've felt pretty pessimistic also and we have good reason to be. But this is going to be a hard fight. As Phil Van Cleave told me, "You don't win a fight by surrendering before it starts." We have to believe we can win, we have to keep a positive attitude against all odds and we have to stay motivated if we are going to have a chance. Gun Owners of Maine did it and we can too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    I get it and I wasn't thinking of you when I made the statement. I've felt pretty pessimistic also and we have good reason to be. But this is going to be a hard fight. As Phil Van Cleave told me, "You don't win a fight by surrendering before it starts." We have to believe we can win, we have to keep a positive attitude against all odds and we have to stay motivated if we are going to have a chance. Gun Owners of Maine did it and we can too.
    My friend, you do give me hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1942bull View Post
    So Mark has deduced that the origin of the VA legislation in question is due to non-white voters. Now I come from a background that makes me question things I hear when they simply seem to be a veiled attempt to affect a different matter than then supposedly being addressed. Mark briefly comments on the VA legislation then through a premise that is disjointed from the legislation focus his listeners on his belief that non-white voters are the problem not just for the VA legislation, which he never actually speaks about, but for the advancing liberal agendas. So not lest's reduce the technique Mark used to its basic propaganda attributes.

    Veiled as a concern for American society, Mark creates the following scenario. VA gun legislation is going to result in social upheaval, a pseudo civil war. That is bad. The legislation exits because of the liberal agenda and that is true. Non-white voters made that happen. Conclusion non-white voters are the cause of future social upheaval and consequently are bad.

    Sorry, bit I do not buy BS.
    I donít buy these sort of analysis, but I do question what will be the tipping point, if there is a tipping point in the offing at some point down the road?

    The reason and rational to go after law-abiding gun owners seems idiotic, but itís a pattern of behavior with those that align on the left of center.

    My guess is these counties that have designated themselves sanctuary 2A counties will ignore what they deem unconstitutional and an affront to their constitutional right. Sooner or later, SCOTUS needs to address this and other gun control issues pushed by the left.

    Actions like this will start the debate with counties within states to consider the notion of succession to create a union that is compatible with their values. The creation of city-states would suit me fine. Rural America gets screwed by these large metro areas.


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